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This story belongs to the series Love Is For Children which includes "Love Is for Children," "Eggshells," "Dolls and Guys,""Saudades," "Turnabout Is Fair Play," "Touching Moments," "Splash," "Coming Around," "Birthday Girl," "No Winter Lasts Forever," "Hide and Seek," "Kernel Error," "Happy Hour," and "Green Eggs and Hulk."

Fandom: The Avengers
Characters: Phil Coulson, JARVIS, Clint Barton, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanova, Bruce Banner.
Medium: Fiction
Warnings: This story is mostly fluff, but it has some intense scenes in the middle. Highlight for details. These include dubious consent as Phil and JARVIS discuss what really happened when Agent Coulson hacked his way into Stark Tower, over which Phil has something between a flashback and a panic attack. They also discuss some of the bad things that have happened to Avengers in the past, including various flavors of abuse. If these are sensitive topics for you, please think carefully before deciding whether to read onward.
Summary: Uncle Phil needs to pick out pajamas for game night. He gets help from an unexpected direction.
Notes: Service. Shopping. Gifts. Artificial intelligence. Computers. Teamwork. Team as family. Friendship. Communication. Hope. Apologies. Forgiveness. Nonsexual ageplay. Nonsexual intimacy. Love. Tony Stark needs a hug. Bruce Banner needs a hug. #coulsonlives.

Begin with Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part 13, Part 14, Part 15, Part 16. Skip to Part 19Part 20Part 21Part 22.

WARNING: Phil proceeds to lose his shit over the memory of hacking into JARVIS and his interpretation of its implications. Meanwhile JARVIS, who has no idea what has gone wrong with Phil, is worrying his head off. Please make sure you're in safe headspace and environment before deciding whether to read onward.


"Hairpins" Part 17


"... time is 10:23 A.M. on ..."

What Phil had done to JARVIS was inexcusable. There were words for that kind of violation. For that crime. It didn't matter to Phil that the law would read it differently. It didn't matter that he had not known.

How could you not know that you were raping someone?

"... weather is cold and clear today; temperature ..."

The word sawed through his mind, jagged and implacable. Phil's stomach flipped over. He swallowed hard against the sour taste at the back of his throat. He felt disgraced. No, worse than that. He felt filthy.

"... home safe, at Avengers Tower ..."

Phil had done some terrible things in his time. He had lied and manipulated, tortured and killed, to complete a mission or protect his people. You didn't work in espionage without getting your hands dirty. You tried to minimize collateral damage, but in the end, you took responsibility for whatever happened. You made your choices and you lived with the outcomes, good or bad. Phil had always known what he was doing, though, weighed the cost against the gain. He had done those things mindfully and accepted the burdens.

" ... and you can get through this ..."

To have violated someone out of sheer blind ignorance felt so much worse. Phil wondered if he would ever feel clean again.

" ... to focus on your breathing, and now ..."

That reminder helped. Phil seized on it as an anchor. He dragged in a breath, another, struggling to get his wayward body under control. This he knew. This he could do. Phil breathed again, slower, deeper. He wiped his sweaty hands against his trousers. The Starkpad, its screen gone dark, slid off his lap to land on the couch. Phil made himself sit up and look around the room. It seemed unchanged, normal, jarring in comparison to the storm inside him.

"Phil? You seem to be calming down some. Please answer me if you can," said JARVIS.

Phil had only heard that velvet-warm tone a few times before, when Tony or Steve had gotten caught in a flashback -- and yes, now that he thought about it, that was the flashback routine that JARVIS was reciting. "Why are you even still speaking to me?" he wondered aloud, his voice hoarse.

"Your vital signs spiked, and you became unresponsive," JARVIS said. "I worried. How are you feeling now?"

"I'm ..." Phil began, then paused. Fine would be a bald-faced lie. "... not in any danger."

"Would you like me to call someone for you?"

"No." His team didn't need to see him like this; they needed his strength.

"Is there anything I can do that might help you feel better?"

"God, no, you don't owe me anything," Phil said. He stretched, trying to make his ill-fitting body feel like it belonged to him again. His muscles ached as if he'd just run an obstacle course.

"If you want to say anything, I am listening."

"I'm sorry." The words tumbled out before Phil could catch them. "I am so sorry for what I did to you."

"You're sorry. You're not in any danger. What are you sorry about, Phil?" asked JARVIS.

* * *

Notes:

(Many of the following links contain some intense stuff as they examine the mess at hand.)
Phil jumps to a sexual metaphor partly because of the stylistic actions he remembers (i.e. the code is JARVIS' mind, the building is his body, and Phil entered both without consent) and partly because of the severity of violation, even though nobody's genitals were involved. There are already discussions of robot rape underway, as people consider whether an artificial intelligence could commit or suffer such violation. This leads to the question of programmed consent, what it means for an artificial intelligence to be able to consent and what things constitute a breach of integrity. It is, furthermore, damaging for the assailant to treat another sapient being that way, in addition to damaging the victim; in which regard, even facsimile rape is injurious as well as often considered immoral.

There is a close parallel with mind rape, given that AIs tend to be more mind than body and reprogramming them is a violation of their integrity. This overlaps the idea of reprogramming humans through brainwashing, a touchy issue for SHIELD personnel in general and also for the Avengers. It involves not just brutal torture techniques, but also quite subtle manipulation. That is, Phil's intrusion was not violent, but that does not disqualify it from being a violation. Another related category is emotional rape, where the perpetrator seeks to dominate and control the victim. It is closely associated with brainwashing. While Phil was not aiming for humiliation or heartache, he definitely manipulated the relationship between JARVIS and Tony, promoting his own importance beyond what he had honestly earned.

Rape isn't always as easy to recognize as many people would think. Many survivors do not realize they were raped. It is especially difficult for male survivors who were raped by women. Many perpetrators do not think of themselves as rapists. Consider how sexual offenders think about their actions and their different motivations. Now compare this to reprogramming an artificial intelligence. It's "working a no into a yes" all over again. It's dealing with someone whose ability and willingness to give or withhold consent may be imperfect. There are ways to support a survivor of rape or other violation, and to break habits of sexual violence.

(Now we're getting into the links that talk about how to clean up the mess, so they're less icky.)
Remorse is the feeling people have when they have failed to act with integrity and therefore regret their actions. Phil feels dirty because he crossed a line without realizing it at the time, and blames himself. Understand how to live with regret and learn from mistakes.

Achieving emotional control is easier if you understand the different areas and modes of the human brain. Self-trust is the lever that makes it possible to switch gears inside yourself. Then you can use your knowledge to regain control of yourself in a crisis. Even though Phil just knocked himself ass over teakettle, he knows how to get his feet back under him.

Breathing is one of the most important pillars of composure. There are many exercises for breathing your way to calm and relaxation. Deep breathing soothes anxiety especially well. Here is a video of a yoga breathing technique for stress relief.

Aftercare for a flashback or panic attack is as important as support during one. There are tips on caring for yourself after a flashback and helping someone after a panic attack. Understand that various people find different things to be helpful or aggravating; learn what works for you or your friend, and do that. In general, be quiet and gentle, and offer comfort. JARVIS doesn't know Phil intimately yet, but is learning his parameters, and has a standard routine for treating emotional overload. Sadly the Avengers had a lot of Blue Screen of Death episodes, the first few months after moving in.

Mirroring is a technique used in therapy and conversation, where one person repeats or paraphrases what the other person says. It provides validation, supports understanding, and helps identify feelings or ideas that may not be completely clear yet. There are different variations of such conversational reflection. JARVIS uses mirroring to soothe Phil, and to entice enough explanation out of him to learn what went wrong and how to respond.

Apologizing can be a difficult task, but honorable people face it with courage. There are tips on how to make a good apology. Phil blurts his out before he has quite put all the pieces together in his head, let alone put himself back together.


[To be continued in Part 18 ...]

Why I love Phil--

Date: 2014-03-28 07:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>> "I'm sorry." The words tumbled out before Phil could catch them. "I am so sorry for what I did to you." <<

This.

He's barely beginning to see the complexity and severity of his actions, yet his FIRST action as soon as he's coherent and breathing more regularly, is to acknowledge that he'd done SOMETHING which he feels strongly was not just in error, but wrong.

Phil sees the severity of violation-of-self and yes, jumps to the sexual element of rape, but I doubt it was solely for the 'mechanical' reasons, physical similarity to penetration, et alia: the word 'rape' carries connotations of violation of trust, privacy and intimacy which are (largely) grasped in similar ways within the same culture.

Contrast THIS behavior with the exact same behavior in the movie, but when the elevator doors open, Nick Fury steps out. Then, blammo, Fury discovers that Jarvis is sentient, and mental gears begin to turn... In no way can I imagine Fury apologizing sincerely. In no scenario would there be anything but a trite "regrettable circumstance" comment or similar generic platitude, then Fury would circular file the whole incident under "Mission: successful" and feel his responsibility absolved. (I know I harp on Fury's negative qualities and his apparent total lack of human sensitivity, but there's just SO MUCH material to work from, even when I limit myself to movie canon. Besides, the dichotomy of having both Coulson and Fury so dedicated to SHIELD kind of blows my mind.)


I absolutely LOVE that Jarvis is using the same time-place-weather-other trivia recital to calm Phil that he used on Tony in the movie. Jarvis has taken on Phil's least openly discussed role as a handler; he's become the anchor for Phil in the midst of a pretty severe mental/emotional trauma.

I don't see the role reversal as at all ironic. Jarvis has had hundreds of thousands of cycles to think about Phil and analyse his behavior patterns. That means that Jarvis has already 'dealt with' the hacking incident, both intellectually and emotionally. He's in a safe place to help Phil through / his / reactions.

Besides, were he holding a grudge of any kind, Phil's entire stay in the tower would have been noticeably LESS integrated, friendly, or simply plagued with "gremlins". Anybody "raised" around Tony Stark could fill at least a print encyclopedia with methods of annoying someone they MUST deal with but dislike, none of which can either reflect back on the agent provocateur or the company. More likely, they can't even be traced to a particular originator/saboteur.

We've seen exactly the OPPOSITE behavior from Jarvis; now they get down to the slow, human-time discussion of events which will allow Phil to understand some of Jarvis' perspective of the same events, and scale his amends to more accurately meet the compromise between what Jarvis feels is warranted and what Phil does.

I do hope Jarvis allows SOME form of atonement beyond just the spoken apology, because right now it looks very much as if that's something which will help Phil; all of his caregiving has physical as well as verbal elements.

This was just as hard to read as I'd expected, but mostly because I care about the characters the way you portray them, and I really hate seeing the people I care about suffer. Even fictional ones. Thank you for another well-written segment balancing between the power of the scene and the relative speed of updates.

-Sarah-

Re: Why I love Phil--

Date: 2023-08-10 02:09 am (UTC)
pinkrangerv: White Hispanic female, with brown hair, light skin, and green eyes, against a background of blue arcane symbols (Default)
From: [personal profile] pinkrangerv
Tony and JARVIS deal with a lot of war vets, and I have to wonder if--on some level--they both clocked Natasha as 'extreme psych damage', not 'dangerous'. Tony wouldn't have brought Natasha into JARVIS' body if he thought she was going to hurt people for fun, and JARVIS probably can read facial expressions well enough to notice that she still had flat effect as Natalie Rushman, just pasting on a smile so no one would notice. Plus, she actively tried to help out Tony multiple times.

And it's worth bearing in mind: WE know that she could've just asked Tony to take the injection, but SHE AND FURY saw him behaving in ways that were outright suicidal. Medical ethics around slow suicide like that are VERY advanced, and spies aren't trained in it--she screwed up, but her screw-up was in the direction of 'save life now so he doesn't die', and that's a pretty reasonable response to 'this guy is gonna kill himself if we don't intervene' if you don't know what you're doing.

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Re: Why I love Phil--

Date: 2014-03-28 12:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
The way I read it is, Fury is basically a sociopath who's realised that emulating moral behaviour and nominally being dedicated to a good cause means he doesn't get into trouble and can be useful.

Phil is a highly moral person who's realised that sometimes in order to achieve a 'good' goal requires morally dubious means, and will get his hands dirty for the greater good.

Re: Why I love Phil--

Date: 2014-03-28 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Do you really think Fury cares about being 'useful'? Seriously? I'm shocked.

Since you openly used the term 'sociopath', take it to its logical conclusion: Fury found the position that gave him the MOST opportunity to mess with other people's heads and lives without any personal repercussions.

His position allows him to USE more people. That, I'll grant you.

Re: Why I love Phil--

Date: 2014-03-28 04:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
I don't think he cares about being useful as per sae.. but I do think he's worked out that if he's useful to his superiors then they are more likely to allow him free reign. Ergo, being useful, to an extent, fulfils his goals.

But yes I agree his position allows him to mess with other people, but he wasn't always in that position and he's still somewhat accountable to others.

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Date: 2014-03-28 05:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart
Charitable that I am, I think Fury is an example of taking 'cracking a few eggs' to extremes, such that he considers all means necessary and has no brake. That he brings Hill to siding with that, shows the corrosive nature.

I wish I believed he's an intentional cautionary tale, I think Fury is just the most BadAss Freudian Slip flying. When he learns Captain America has been found, he considers Steve a tool, and not even one worth diligent care. He doesn't think of him as a man and he doesn't think of him as another tactician.

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Re: Why I love Phil--

Date: 2014-03-28 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As you say, even 'just' limiting ourselves to the movie incarnation of Nick Fury and his boorish(?) attitude- has anyone discussed yet the Tesseract's effect on -him-? I know we see it with so many others, but what about him? After all, he laid hands on it in the beginning of the Avengers movie, and was exposed to it through SHIELD studying it for how long before Selvig was given it to study? Not dismissing Fury and his flaws and unlikeable nature, especially not with what I've seen of Captain America 2 trailers, but... how much of Nick Fury is -actually- Nick?

as always ysabet, lovely work

-kellyc

Re: Why I love Phil--

Date: 2014-03-28 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>> Not dismissing Fury and his flaws and unlikeable nature, especially not with what I've seen of Captain America 2 trailers, but... how much of Nick Fury is -actually- Nick? <<

Oh, wow, Kellyc... That's a whole volume of several, interconnected and very, very explosive fan fictions in one.

Thank you for something engrossing to think about while I knit (as I can't actually read and knit simultaneously, darn it!) Your brain just tickled my brain.

-Sarah-

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Date: 2014-03-29 01:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] singingwithoutwords
Kellyc, your brain is brilliant and I want to marry it. Excuse me while I go plan all the fanfics ever about Fury and the Tesseract, and possibly even write some of them.
/scampers off

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Date: 2014-03-28 12:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aldersprig
<3

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Date: 2014-03-30 05:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mdlbear
Very well done, but rough going for me. Poor Phil!

I ought to look up self-soothing techniques. And consider the possibilities for some of my AI characters.

Potential canon loophole

Date: 2014-03-31 12:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There's a serious loophole in canon.

At the end of Iron Man 1 is an Easter egg showing NICK FURY standing in Tony's Malibu house, and as Tony walks in, Jarvis TRIES to warn him and drones down to silence, very reminiscent of HAL's shutdown in 2001: A Space Odyssey (movie).

So, my earlier comment about imagining Fury stepping out of the elevator at the Tower has some legitimate worry-making potential. Fortunately for any writer of fan fiction, Tony and Fury are the only two characters shown on screen, and Jarvis' voice cuts out before Tony's crossed to the midpoint of the living room.

Explain as you see fit, but as a reader, I'm FAR less disappointed by your consistence and characterizations than my (twenty-minute non-repeating) rant about their so-called "interconnected film universe". I'll be satisfied with the tiniest handwave comparison/explanation in the next few chapters, because you, unlike the bozos cashing checks in the "official" works, care a great deal about the details shared between films/comics/et cetera. I'm actually ROOTING for Jarvis to admit that he's already working on his revenge against Fury for his actions against Sir (Tony) and against himself.

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Date: 2014-03-31 12:17 am (UTC)
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Blast it. Not my fault that time- windows 8 jumped me off screen in the middle of typing. Sorry- the earlier was also me, -Sarah-.

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Re: Thoughts

Date: 2014-04-15 03:37 am (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
> I link to some periodically in this series

Yes, and thanks. Though the problems in my case are remembering to look them up, and remembering that I need them.

> That would be fascinating to read.

It might at that. I haven't attempted fiction in decades -- those stories would have to be extensively revised, I suspect. Still, I need to dust them off and serialize them in LJ.

from the notes:

Date: 2014-05-03 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] labelleizzy.livejournal.com

"Apologizing can be a difficult task, but honorable people face it with courage."

This. THIS. Why do so few people approach this task with honor, as a duty to do the right thing and make amends?

Is it just fear? Of losing face?

I don't understand.

Re: from the notes:

Date: 2014-05-03 01:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Too many kids my sons' ages are raised that


- backing down in any way, shape or form, even if it's just the ILLUSION of backing down, is BAD. It "hurts their reputation". BLEEEEEP that. Reputation is MORE than just "other people do what he says. He's always right."

- "Face" is VERY different at least from this Westerner's viewpoint. It's about doing the 'right' thing, not 'being right'. VERY, VERY big difference there.

- Fear of looking foolish is a BIG DEAL to most people. When you're already half-crazy from the biochemical madhouse we call "adolescence", and living in a society that openly mocks anyone or anything different than "they" are -- whatever the subgroup labeled "they" might be in a particular situation-- it's a recipe for disaster.

- Kids grow up in households where NO ONE apologizes. The attitude in my area is "forget it", not implying, "It's minor, I've gotten over it," but "NEVER, EVER MENTION THIS TOPIC AGAIN." In that case, fewer people even understand the distinction between the two definitions I've given for "forget it."

Re: from the notes:

Date: 2014-05-03 03:19 am (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Yeah, I agree with all of this-- the only thing I'm going to add is something that I didn't state outright, and I should have.

I'm only talking about people within my own subcultures growing up, or in my twenties and thirties, et cetera. That's a pretty wild and wacky list, but it IS limited, especially by the fact that my second-language skills are laughably near zero. The people in my neighborhood, which is very ethnically mixed, ARE about our family's income level, which makes for a very stark kind of uniformity, too.

The one thing that's consistent even across different ethnic groups is that I've found women have often been taught SPECIFICALLY not just HOW to apologize, but to do so IMMEDIATELY, often before deciding /if/ there's any fault or upset or problem. Akin to, "I'm sorry, your car lights are on and you left two of the doors wide open." The tone isn't "I'm sorry for interrupting you," it specifically seems to convey FAULT, not just a politely-phrased interruption.

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