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Prehistoric inventions abound. Most of these are one-shot gizmos that one genius invented and other people copied, without modification, sometimes for millions of years.

It's not the occasional, isolated super-genius that uplifts a species.  It's the ability to produce multiple  genii close enough together that they can interact, which is how you get that explosion of innovation as other people try to mimic them at their own level of ability.

I have a flint flake tool on my desk that I found in my yard.  It's an ancient super-gizmo.  Doesn't look like much until you pick it up and realize that it can be held in several different ways, each activating a different area of the tool with a different use.  Kind of like a Swiss Army knife, but with no moving parts.  Impressive, and much harder to make than a simple flake.

The non-human species I've seen throw multiple genii?  Snow monkeys.  Imo invented the sand-free sweet potato and the quick-rice snack.  Someone else discovered the use of hot springs.  Someone else started riding deer, the first step in domestication.  When those sparks start appearing close together, you've got the makings of a species bootstrapping itself from lower to higher levels of sentience.  \o/

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Date: 2022-01-21 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wonder if you could get cross-species genii interactions that would produce new inventions...

Re: Well ...

Date: 2022-01-21 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
More mundanely, I'd also look at cross-species communication and friendships. Or interspecies fosterings.

There are a lot of instances of cross-species help-seeking behavior.

...imagine what could be made by combining different kinds of tech!

Re: Well ...

Date: 2022-01-21 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have seen humans use bubble tech toys:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbu2ueMe2E

Here's an art variant with air-bubbles:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QseWXpkaGTY

While watching this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJfqgmbiqnQ

... I saw another link about vortexes in water and got to thinking: couldn't there be other forms if ethereal, biodegradable tech? I mean, I've heard of:

- martial artists extinguishing candles with a breeze from their swords

- it is possible to squirt water at things with one's body; humans mostly use it to play but some animals use it to hunt

I was looking up methods of hunting with fire and found this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nine.com.au/article/a6f2efdc-25b1-4ff9-b50e-5b9a79ef86a3

Use of sound gets it's own section:

- sonic attacks (screaming, sudden loud noise, annoying music - also some cetaceans can stun prey)

- signals (cats mimicking crying babies, languague)

- coomunication (infrasound, ultrasound, talking drums, signal whistles)

- echolocation

- modifying one's environment (i.e. deliberately setting off an avalanche)

- medicine (ASMR, purring, calming music)

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Date: 2022-01-21 08:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] writedragon
One of the most profound moments of my life was, during my very first archeology class, when our professor passed around a 100,000 year old Aucheulean Hand Axe. The instant I touched it I felt anchored and deeply connected in time. I got goosebumps and my heart yearned for something I never knew I needed before. It was that day I decided to go to graduate school in Anthropology/Archeology/Linguistics.

Ravens, squirrels, octopuses, dolphins, and non-human primates -- they're still evolving and learning and it's incredible to watch.

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Date: 2022-01-21 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] writedragon
Haha getting some serious "Feed me, Seymour" vibes from that last observation. I'm envisioning plants that can creep around like slime molds or something.

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Date: 2022-01-22 12:34 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Look at cryptobotany:
https://cryptidarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Cryptobotany

Also, a slime mold not a plant, but:
https://the-future-is-wild.fandom.com/wiki/Slithersucker

If we're talking about species on other planets, are 'plant' and 'animal' the right terms? You might get something wit odd mix-and-match tendencies... or completely different ones.

(I.e Mobile things that fly after the suns to eat radioactive energy, and have a mixture of walled and wallless cells?)

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Date: 2022-01-22 10:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
I grew up on the chalk so constantly found flint tools and the variation in form is just incredible.

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Date: 2022-01-23 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
Aviation writer Richard Bach (author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull) once speculated about history. The Egyptians had sticks, papyrus, and tall pyramids for takeoff - they could have invented gliders. The Chinese might have chosen to use their rockets for weapons or transportation, instead of fireworks. There is an ancient type of silk from India, and it's so finely woven we haven't yet figured out how they did it. And think of what it took to breed teosinte up into maize.

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Date: 2022-01-24 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
I remember when the Nazca markings first became known to the public, they were interpreted as "proof" that the native inhabitants were making landing fields to attract the extraterrestrial visitors who brought them unheard-of technology.

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Date: 2022-01-24 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
Considering that one of the first things little kids do when they see birds and airplanes (and nowaday drones) fly is they try jumping off someplace to see if they can figure out how to fly. It usually starts with a bath towel to imitate Superman's cape. Many costumes contain a disclaimer on the label stating that the garments DO NOT give a human being the power to fly (because people can be absurdly stupid). And I once tied a kite string to the handle of a "Little Red Wagon" - and I also once tried to rig it with a sail (I was always a very tech-inclined person, even as a little girl.) And it would be logical to think that "primitive" people might behave the same ways.
Edited Date: 2022-01-24 05:23 am (UTC)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2022-01-24 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
I'm glad that the Chinese invented fireworks. I love to see the pretty colors in the sky! (And I love to see how modern pyrotechnicians have developed ways to make them prettier - new colors, new detonation techniques that form butterflies,heart shapes, and ringed 'planets" in the air. I left my time machine in my other pants, but if I'd known then what I know now, I'd have majored in chemistry or chemical engineering instead of physics, and I'd probably have become a pyrotechnician. (One of the guidance counselors who helped my son a lot when he was a troublesome child was a retired pyrotechnician. I never got a chance to sit down and chat with him, dammit.)Or maybe I'd have gone into food chemistry.
Edited Date: 2022-01-24 05:30 am (UTC)

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