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A while back we got to wondering if a favorite dessert, bread pudding, also came in a savory version. It does. Alas, most of what I found online did not sound very appetizing. I poked around until I found something usable as inspiration. Then we experimented for a while. We quickly discovered that this kind of cooking lends itself well to algorithm rather than recipe mode. So here it is ...


"Savory Bread Pudding Algorithm"


Ingredients:

2 cups stale bread
1 pound meat
1/2 cup allium
2 1/2 cups shredded cheese (about 1/2 pound)
1/2 cup fresh (or 1/4 cup dried) green leaves
6 eggs
2 cups half-and-half
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon pepper
1 teaspoon herbs/spices


Directions:

Preheat the oven to 350ºF.

Tear up some stale bread until it almost fills a 9x13" baking dish. This takes about 2 cups. Then transfer the bread bits into a large mixing bowl.

Wipe out the 9x13" baking dish, grease it, and set it aside.

If the meat is raw, you will need to brown it in a little butter or other cooking fat using a large skillet and medium heat. Stir with a slotted spatula to break the meat into tiny pieces. Transfer the meat into the big mixing bowl, leaving the fat behind.

Chop the allium. Saute it in the remaining fat from the meat. (If you used precooked meat, you'll need to saute the allium in a different fat such as butter.) Cook until soft and translucent, about five minutes. Add the allium to the big mixing bowl. Fold gently to combine.

Grate enough cheese to make about 2 1/2 cups. This usually takes a little over 1/2 pound of block cheese. Add the cheese to the big mixing bowl and fold it in.

Add a leafy green herb or vegetable. You'll need about 1/2 cup fresh or 1/4 cup dried green leaves. Fold this into the filling in the big mixing bowl.

Carefully scoop the meat and bread filling mix into the 9x13" baking dish and spread it around until level.

Get out another mixing bowl, preferably a batter bowl with a spout on it. Put in six eggs and whisk them together. Add 2 cups of half-and-half and whisk it in.

Sprinkle in 1/4 teaspoon salt and 1/4 teaspoon ground pepper. Additional herbs or spices should total another teaspoon. Whisk all that together with the batter.

Pour the batter over the meat and bread filling in a zig-zag pattern to saturate the filling as much as possible. Put the savory bread pudding into the oven and bake at 350ºF for 45 minutes.

When the timer rings, check for doneness by inserting a toothpick into the center. If the toothpick comes out moist but not wet, it's done. Usually at this stage, the top will be toasty brown but the interior will still be wet. Put aluminum foil loosely over the top to keep it from burning, and cook for another 15 minutes.

Serves 4-6 people.


Notes:

An algorithm differs from an ordinary recipe in that it consists of proportions and instructions for combining them, rather than specific ingredients. You can therefore produce a great many individual recipes from one algorithm. If you have a handful of kitchen algorithms and a reasonably stocked pantry, you can cook with whatever ingredients you have on hand.

Almost any kind of bread will work. Soft sandwich bread or hamburger buns will give you a softer bread pudding that just about melts in your mouth. For more texture, use hard rolls or crusty bread. If you do not have stale bread, you can use fresh bread. To stiffen it up, run it through the toaster briefly, microwave on low heat for a couple of minutes, or leave it sitting out for a few hours. For more flavor, consider whole wheat or rye bread, or anything with nuts/seeds in it. If you use herbed bread, then you should probably reduce the extra spices.

Ground or finely chopped meat works best for a savory bread pudding. You can use pretty much any kind of meat, just adjust the other ingredients to match it. Raw or cooked works fine. If you're using leftover meat, you may want to reduce other flavorings. Also if you are bringing home restaurant leftovers, remember that many meat entrees now come on a bed of lightly grilled vegetables. Save those to chop into your savory bread pudding!

Cooking fat can be whatever you like. Butter or olive oil add nice flavor. Clarified butter, or ghee, is ideal for cooking because it's almost impossible to burn. If you save bacon grease, it is terrific for occasions like this where you want to add flavor to whatever you are frying up. Try to avoid highly processed things with synthetic ingredients, which are not good for you nor do they taste very good.

Allium is the onion family. You can use half of a root onion (any color), several shallots, green onions (including the green part), leeks, etc. If you want to use chives or garlic chives, they combine beautifully with pearl onions or shallots. If you want to use garlic, try a couple of cloves plus something else green such as bell peppers or celery to make up the vegetable mass until you have half a cup. Another option is to use a tablespoon of dried onion chips, plus some other vegetables, because dried onion gives a lot of flavor for not much volume. You can, obviously, use any kind of baking vegetable in this recipe; and if you want to do that, here is a good place to put them.

Cheese is one of the main flavors in this recipe. You can use preshredded cheese or grate your own from a block. Any shredded cheese blend such as Mexican or Italian tends to work well in this recipe. You can also mix your own by combining a strong flavor such as aged cheddar with a good melting cheese such as gouda. This is a good dish for rich, mellow cheese or fancy robust cheese, because the other ingredients won't overshadow the flavor.

Leafy green herbs include parsley and cilantro, both available dried. These have a relatively mild flavor. For more kick you could use fresh sweet basil. In vegetables consider fresh chopped spinach or swiss chard. Cooked spinach, collards, turnip greens, etc. should also work. These have a stronger flavor. Some sea vegetables such as dulse come in flakes, and others in sheets or chips that can be crumbled up. Taste to figure out how much you want to use, and since most sea vegetables are salty, you should probably not add more salt.

You can use plain table salt in this dish. However, sea salt has better flavor and trace elements. Fancy salts such as Hawaiian red (my favorite for anything pork, also good with beef and other robust meats), Himalayan pink (nice with delicate meats like chicken or fish), or sel gris (a good general salt) are ideal. Smoked salts bring out the smoked or grilled flavor in cooked meats.

Ground black pepper works fine. Fancy peppercorns are worth using, though. For this dish the green ones with their leafy note add a lot of charm. Use white peppercorns if you dislike black specks in your eggy dishes. Red peppercorns are less ideal for this context because of their fruity flavor. However, most peppercorn blends will add welcome complexity.

Choose herbs to match the meat and cheese. Some good choices include sweet basil, sweet marjoram, thyme, oregano, and sage. If you are using an ethnic meat and cheese combo, then try to find herbs and spices from the same culture to go along with those. This is a terrific place to use blends of herbs/spices such as southwest, cajun, jerk spice, herbes de Provence, fines herbs, poultry seasoning, garam masala, curry powder, chili powder, ras el hanout, adobo, Chinese five-spice powder, and so forth.


Examples:

We usually use plain bread, half an onion, and dried parsley flakes. Some favorite combinations of other ingredients include ...

1 pound ground turkey
2 1/2 cups smoked gouda
1 teaspoon herbes de Provence

1 pound tandoori chicken (from 5 pieces)
combination of shredded Italian cheeses plus smoked gouda
1 teaspoon garam masala
applewood smoked salt
smoked black pepper

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Date: 2015-03-30 12:11 am (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
I think most of my 'zen' cooking is algorithms... I shall have to write them down at some point because I've got like probably a dozen or more in my head.

Re: Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 01:45 pm (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
Hmm.. "The Big Book of Cooking Algorithms"... yes I can see that.

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Date: 2015-03-30 03:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fred_mouse
I, too, have a set of algorithms, and suspect that while they might be similar to other peoples', there might be some interesting glitches in there, given growing up poor *and* vegetarian (it wasn't common. Poor where I grew up ate a lot of mince).

Most entertaining for me is that in recent years, I have been refining ones relating to 'use up all the leftovers in the fridge' rather than using up raw ingredients that are running short!

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Date: 2015-03-30 01:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kelkyag
My usual variation on this theme leaves out the meat (often replacing it with spinach or other sauteed greens), and replaces half to 3/4ths of the liquid dairy with tomato puree or soup.

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Date: 2015-03-30 07:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stardreamer
That sounds absolutely delicious.

Eggy-Weggy

Date: 2015-03-31 03:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] moongoddessgirl
When I was a child, we made savory bread pudding with potatoes and what ever else was in the fridge and called it eggy-weggy. To this day I still love it and introduce it to all of the families that I work with as long as they eat eggs.
- Mercy
Edited Date: 2015-03-31 03:32 am (UTC)

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Date: 2015-03-31 09:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] helgatwb
The problem is, most of my algorithms aren't codified. They're in my head.

I have two cookbooks, from earlier decades, that have algorithms in them, but they call them 'charts'. One has a 'casserole chart', and the other has a 'soup chart'. I've also seen these things in magazines, older cookbooks friends and family have, and on food blogs.

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Date: 2015-03-30 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
mmmm, Alaea salt. Packs a bit of a zing, too, if you get my drift. Lava (black) salt is a bit less zingy but goes better with beef. (Damn, I don't have my Pele icon over here.... :)

Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
I have used both in rituals as well as cooking. I don't eat the charcoal salt though. Charcoal upsets my tummy.

Re: Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 05:01 am (UTC)
ext_3294: Tux (Default)
From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
You and I have something sort of in common. Charcoal is supposed to be good for stomach poisons, and it upsets yours; good honest hemp, smoked, is supposed to be good for nausea, but it makes me throw my toes up.

I do not envy you that.

At least the Alaea salt you can handle. I was totally floored (not literally, but very startled) the first time I *opened* a box of it... :)

Re: Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
>> You and I have something sort of in common. Charcoal is supposed to be good for stomach poisons, and it upsets yours; <<

My body has a hair-trigger "not food>reject" reflex. The charcoal may simply parallel that. I have to be careful with toast or roasted marshmallows.

>> good honest hemp, smoked, is supposed to be good for nausea, but it makes me throw my toes up. <<

Huh.

>> I do not envy you that. <<

Yeah, it sucks to deal with the hair trigger. But it also makes me very difficult to poison, because my body alerts so quickly. Yes, grocery shopping can be a minefield, but I manage okay most of the time.

>> At least the Alaea salt you can handle. I was totally floored (not literally, but very startled) the first time I *opened* a box of it... :) <<

My desert characters are the ones who got me hooked on gourmet salt. I got envious of what they had, and they said, "Well, go look and see if anyone has it in your world." And there are matches for quite a lot of them, although alas our fleur de sel has not got quite as much floral note as theirs. Every location's salt is unique. But I sure did enjoy the heck out of exploring our various options. I must have six or eight in the kitchen now.

Re: Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 05:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
I have a generic sea salt, red salt, grey salt from Italy's volcanoes, rosemary-infused salt, and an alderwoood smoked that's fantastic on pork chops. Yummers. Funny, the pink Himalayan salt everyone is nuts about doesn't do much for me. Got spoilt early on the Hawaiian stuff. :)

Re: Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
Let's see, off the top of my head ... generic sea salt, sel gris, fleur de sel, the 'black' salt that is actually pink, Himalayan pink, Australian pink, Hawaiian red, Hawaiian black, applewood smoked, hickory smoked.

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Date: 2015-03-30 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kestrels-nest.livejournal.com
This also works very well with finely chopped mushrooms in place of the meat. Saute them with the allium. The herbs I use for that are dill and tarragon, with a fairly mild cheese.

Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
Any of the usual substitutions for meat, such as mushrooms or tofu, should work in this recipe. Or you could just add a pound of mixed vegetables for a garden bread pudding. Same if you want it vegetarian or kosher, just leave out the meat.

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Date: 2015-03-30 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kestrels-nest.livejournal.com
If you use cooked egg noodles instead of bread, I'd call it a savory kugel.

I hadn't thought of flexible recipes in terms of algorithms. Thank you. That gives me a way to write up such things as fruit kugel, along with most of the other traditional dishes I make. Except for the pastries, very few of them lend themselves to traditional recipe format.

Yes...

Date: 2015-03-30 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
>> If you use cooked egg noodles instead of bread, I'd call it a savory kugel. <<

It is related, yes.

>> I hadn't thought of flexible recipes in terms of algorithms. Thank you.<<

Yay! I am so glad I could help.

>> That gives me a way to write up such things as fruit kugel, along with most of the other traditional dishes I make. Except for the pastries, very few of them lend themselves to traditional recipe format. <<

I am fully bifocal. I can cook by logic or intuition, recipe or zen, translating freely back and forth as needed. This is rare, and sometimes people really snark over it. But I think it's important to explore because that expands what other people can do. Algorithms are tremendously valuable for making your kitchen and pantry more effective. It takes a little practice to identify what is fixed or flexible within an algorithm, and how to describe that, but it's worth the effort.

If you do, I'd love to see the links.

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Date: 2015-03-30 05:03 am (UTC)
ext_3294: Tux (Default)
From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
I'll second the request for kugel links...

Ysabet's Skillet Algorithm is quite useful, too... reasonably quick grain-and-meat-based ... stir fry isn't quite the right word, but it comes out like it...

Thank you!

Date: 2015-03-30 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
I'm glad you like the Skillet Dish Algorithm. :D

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Date: 2015-03-30 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paantha.livejournal.com
My family has a very nice savoury bread pudding recipe. If I have time/remember, I'll post it later if you'd like.

Yes, please!

Date: 2015-03-30 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
I'd enjoy that. This algorithm has gotten plenty of attention so I suspect other folks would enjoy more of the same.

Re: Yes, please!

Date: 2015-03-30 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paantha.livejournal.com
Ok, here goes:

"Cheese, bread & egg dish (for 4)"

7 slices of bread, buttered
1-1 and 1/2 cups milk
1 cup grated cheese
2 eggs
1 tsp salt
onion juice

Cut 2 pieces of bread into triangles and the rest into cubes. Line a buttered, flat baking dish with the triangles then put the cubed bread in it. Sprinkle with grated cheese (toss it in / add more on top as desired). In a seperate bowl/jug, combine milk, eggs, salt and onion juice. Pour over bread & cheese. Bake at 350F for 25 minutes.

I tend to use very finely diced/smashed onion but I think my mum said that my great-grandma did it by putting an onion through a garlic press bit by bit to get juice. You need to be a bit careful with diced onion as otherwise you end up with raw bits of onion in it at the end.

It turns out mostly like a savoury bread pudding and a little like a cheese souffle.

Re: Yes, please!

Date: 2015-03-30 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing!

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