>> Sliding scale. Screaming at someone in front of witnesses is on the same sale as /beating/ someone in front of witnesses, just to a greater/lesser degree.<<
Maybe, though some would argue that verbal vs. physical abuse is a difference of kind.
>> I know there are skills, but had anyone distilled them into a hand-out-on-the street manifesto? <<
Not that I know of for child soldiers, that tends to be an intensive treatment camp -- if anyone does anything for them at all.
I've seen handouts about breaking through racism, including internalized racism. How well that would work in this case likely depends on the individual.
>> This thingamagig was designed to hack society into a cruel, vicious, classist form, to be handed out to the Everyman of society, and was not relegated to high-level specialists. <<
Yyyyeah.
>> A peacework manifesto designed to hack society towards compassio and to handle be handed out to everyone is something I'm not quite sure I've heard of. (Pieces, yes, but not a step-by-step for everyone instruction manual.)<<
So what they'd need in this case would be a book on how to work through instilled racism without tearing yourself apart in the process. It's doable.
>>I wouldn't suggest asking him before he is an adult, and ideally has some training (at which point Hannah may still have some Strong Opinions, but it will ultimately be Danso's choice.).<<
Point.
>> Also, this problem won't be solved in the next twenty years, much less two. It's not an immediate life-or-death situation, so waiting for Danso to be grown and trained isn't under the same sort of time crunch.<<
Yyyyyeah.
>> I'd make an educated guess that : he would know some spells (or whatever appropriate term) for luck, health, and general protection or shielding, since those are usually what people want to use positive magic for. It seems logical that those sort of spells could be used at minimum to buffer or splint the hacking to basically stabilize or backstop certain negative aspects.<<
That's true. However, consider that Africa had intertribal slavery all along. Whites just changed the parameters. It's what people had been doing with prisoners of war. So, there might be spells for coping with that kind of damage.
>> If that is the case, the issue would be if the effort is worth the tradeoff (and that is factoring in the issue that Victor actually lived through chattel-slavery trauma.) <<
I'd say it's whether Victor can handle it without having a complete meltdown. But he survived slavery, so I suspect he's got iron will.
>> I thought Cas and Hali were, white, or white-passing? Or did I misread that? (To be fair, the team medic, and especially a /combat/ medic, is more likely to get a pass for being somehow 'different' from the rest of the group.) <<
They look white, as in they're light-colored and generally resemble Europeans. But they're only white in the sense that Cas is male or Hali is female. For them, it's the shape they're wearing at the moment. They're too aware of being souls to be really attached to meat-based identity like most humans are.
Plus of course, they're in a gang as racially mixed as the Ebonies and Ivories. You have to be comfortable with diversity to belong there.
Finally, I guarantee that problem is not limited to people who look African-American. Those good ol' boys would bang anything that didn't run away fast enough. So over time, the streams mix and cross and remix. Somewhere around 1/4 to 1/8 black with the rest white, it starts getting feasible to pass for white -- and sooner, for Italian or Hispanic. That loops back into white culture and spreads the problem there too.
>> (1) searching for the spread of victims which can likely be described as...extensive, and <<
Very much so.
>> (2) determining the area to search for potential healers. And estadounidense-only vs American Continents vs match-healer-to-patient's-culture affects the number of potential soulhealers available /and/ the optimal search method. <<
Starting at ground zero makes sense for finding the most victims. You need mindhealers or soulhealers who are familiar with America's fraught racial history -- or the Caribbean.
>>So that maybe opens up the option of having a more diverse set of responders, if you can piggyback off a trusted companion who has looser or weaker inhibitions.<<
It does.
>>The downsides are firstly that I am sure organizing something bumps up against T-Earth white-hat ethics, and secondly that mental or soul-based intimacy can be a bit clingy (which might be a risk with any telempath/soul power, but might be a little riskier with an untrained assistant).<<
They are somewhat aware of bonding as a possibility, but it's still rare. They're just getting to where some of the safety issues with that are known as denser populations develop.
In the previous case with Boss White and Dr. G, they actually were both experts in different areas. I suspect that will happen again.
>> So they're more like traditional healers rather than doctors who'd have a certifying body which keeps lists?<<
At present, yes. Mindhealers are rare, soulhealers even more so; there aren't enough for that kind of organization yet.
>>Now I'm curious about first aid telempathy skills...<<
The first one is plain old "put pressure on it." Ruptures are more common than you might think, and utterly miserable. Just plugging the leak long enough for it to start sealing over is a huge help. Like, when someone is falling apart, you press inward from the outside to stop that ripping wider, and try to squeeze it back together. Sometimes it can be done socially, but having an actual superpower raises the threshold of injury that can be treated that way.
On a similar level, the telepathic equivalent of ice and heat can help a lot for different types of injuries. Emotional contusions are common, serious ones less so but can happen -- I think that has come up in Molly's stories. Heat is for things like emotional hypothermia. And so on.
Feel free to prompt for more if you'd like to pursue this.
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dancing_serpent
Re: Liberty
Date: 2024-12-30 09:02 am (UTC)Maybe, though some would argue that verbal vs. physical abuse is a difference of kind.
>> I know there are skills, but had anyone distilled them into a hand-out-on-the street manifesto? <<
Not that I know of for child soldiers, that tends to be an intensive treatment camp -- if anyone does anything for them at all.
I've seen handouts about breaking through racism, including internalized racism. How well that would work in this case likely depends on the individual.
>> This thingamagig was designed to hack society into a cruel, vicious, classist form, to be handed out to the Everyman of society, and was not relegated to high-level specialists. <<
Yyyyeah.
>> A peacework manifesto designed to hack society towards compassio and to handle be handed out to everyone is something I'm not quite sure I've heard of. (Pieces, yes, but not a step-by-step for everyone instruction manual.)<<
There are peacework handbooks here. You do have to choose between in-depth coverage of one tool, like participatory decision-making vs a broader coverage of peacework in general like this overview textbook or this how-to manual.
So what they'd need in this case would be a book on how to work through instilled racism without tearing yourself apart in the process. It's doable.
>>I wouldn't suggest asking him before he is an adult, and ideally has some training (at which point Hannah may still have some Strong Opinions, but it will ultimately be Danso's choice.).<<
Point.
>> Also, this problem won't be solved in the next twenty years, much less two. It's not an immediate life-or-death situation, so waiting for Danso to be grown and trained isn't under the same sort of time crunch.<<
Yyyyyeah.
>> I'd make an educated guess that : he would know some spells (or whatever appropriate term) for luck, health, and general protection or shielding, since those are usually what people want to use positive magic for. It seems logical that those sort of spells could be used at minimum to buffer or splint the hacking to basically stabilize or backstop certain negative aspects.<<
That's true. However, consider that Africa had intertribal slavery all along. Whites just changed the parameters. It's what people had been doing with prisoners of war. So, there might be spells for coping with that kind of damage.
>> If that is the case, the issue would be if the effort is worth the tradeoff (and that is factoring in the issue that Victor actually lived through chattel-slavery trauma.) <<
I'd say it's whether Victor can handle it without having a complete meltdown. But he survived slavery, so I suspect he's got iron will.
>> I thought Cas and Hali were, white, or white-passing? Or did I misread that? (To be fair, the team medic, and especially a /combat/ medic, is more likely to get a pass for being somehow 'different' from the rest of the group.) <<
They look white, as in they're light-colored and generally resemble Europeans. But they're only white in the sense that Cas is male or Hali is female. For them, it's the shape they're wearing at the moment. They're too aware of being souls to be really attached to meat-based identity like most humans are.
Plus of course, they're in a gang as racially mixed as the Ebonies and Ivories. You have to be comfortable with diversity to belong there.
Finally, I guarantee that problem is not limited to people who look African-American. Those good ol' boys would bang anything that didn't run away fast enough. So over time, the streams mix and cross and remix. Somewhere around 1/4 to 1/8 black with the rest white, it starts getting feasible to pass for white -- and sooner, for Italian or Hispanic. That loops back into white culture and spreads the problem there too.
>> (1) searching for the spread of victims which can likely be described as...extensive, and <<
Very much so.
>> (2) determining the area to search for potential healers. And estadounidense-only vs American Continents vs match-healer-to-patient's-culture affects the number of potential soulhealers available /and/ the optimal search method. <<
Starting at ground zero makes sense for finding the most victims. You need mindhealers or soulhealers who are familiar with America's fraught racial history -- or the Caribbean.
>>So that maybe opens up the option of having a more diverse set of responders, if you can piggyback off a trusted companion who has looser or weaker inhibitions.<<
It does.
>>The downsides are firstly that I am sure organizing something bumps up against T-Earth white-hat ethics, and secondly that mental or soul-based intimacy can be a bit clingy (which might be a risk with any telempath/soul power, but might be a little riskier with an untrained assistant).<<
They are somewhat aware of bonding as a possibility, but it's still rare. They're just getting to where some of the safety issues with that are known as denser populations develop.
In the previous case with Boss White and Dr. G, they actually were both experts in different areas. I suspect that will happen again.
>> So they're more like traditional healers rather than doctors who'd have a certifying body which keeps lists?<<
At present, yes. Mindhealers are rare, soulhealers even more so; there aren't enough for that kind of organization yet.
>>Now I'm curious about first aid telempathy skills...<<
The first one is plain old "put pressure on it." Ruptures are more common than you might think, and utterly miserable. Just plugging the leak long enough for it to start sealing over is a huge help. Like, when someone is falling apart, you press inward from the outside to stop that ripping wider, and try to squeeze it back together. Sometimes it can be done socially, but having an actual superpower raises the threshold of injury that can be treated that way.
On a similar level, the telepathic equivalent of ice and heat can help a lot for different types of injuries. Emotional contusions are common, serious ones less so but can happen -- I think that has come up in Molly's stories. Heat is for things like emotional hypothermia. And so on.
Feel free to prompt for more if you'd like to pursue this.