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ysabetwordsmithIsrael’s war conduct in Gaza ‘consistent with the characteristics of genocide,’ UN Special Committee finds
“Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the UN committee said in a press release.
“The Israeli military’s use of AI-assisted targeting, with minimal human oversight, combined with heavy bombs, underscores Israel’s disregard of its obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths,” the committee said.
Meanwhile, the back article in Time Nov. 11 features Jewish genocide scholar Deborah Lipstadt claiming that "You can say the suffering is immense and without a seeming end. But that's not a genocide."
I wonder what she's waiting for. I mean, Israel has already built a Wall to oppress people, committed massacres, and is doing its level best to wipe out both Palestine and Palestinians.
It's bad enough when ordinary people or leaders say it's not genocide, but when a genocide scholar tells people that it isn't, that is fraud under color of authority. It damages people's ability to identify atrocities accurately.
So let's check:
The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
I wouldn't call that a complete list -- it leaves out things like banning their language, religion, or other means of cultural transmission so that they cease to exist as a society -- but it's more than enough to qualify Israel bombing Palestine to gravel. The first three conditions apply widely.
Plus of course statements of intent from the Israeli government.
Fighting “human animals.” Making Gaza a “slaughterhouse.” “Erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”
Such inflammatory rhetoric is a key component of South Africa’s case accusing Israel of genocide at the U.N. world court, a charge that Israel denies. South Africa says the language — in comments by Israeli leaders, soldiers and entertainers about Palestinians in Gaza since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack sparked war — is proof of Israel’s intent to commit genocide.
"Human animals" ... doesn't that sound familiar? Ah yes, a standard tactic of genocide:
The comparison of victims to vermin is a common one for the perpetrators of genocide. The Nazis compared Jews to rats and serpents, with numerous cartoons showing these animals with exaggerated ‘Jewish’ features.
And from the same article, here's another expression of the plan:
Announcing a ‘complete siege’ of Gaza two days after Hamas’ attack on Israel, the latter’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, was straightforward about his view of Palestinians. “There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting against human animals and will act accordingly.”
Well, if you cut off all the survival needs, that kills everyone in the affected area, which constitutes genocide. Or at least that's what the Jews said when they got shut in ghettos and Germans cut off survival needs.
Israel's trauma is talking out its mouth, and now that is everyone's problem.
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“Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the UN committee said in a press release.
“The Israeli military’s use of AI-assisted targeting, with minimal human oversight, combined with heavy bombs, underscores Israel’s disregard of its obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths,” the committee said.
Meanwhile, the back article in Time Nov. 11 features Jewish genocide scholar Deborah Lipstadt claiming that "You can say the suffering is immense and without a seeming end. But that's not a genocide."
I wonder what she's waiting for. I mean, Israel has already built a Wall to oppress people, committed massacres, and is doing its level best to wipe out both Palestine and Palestinians.
It's bad enough when ordinary people or leaders say it's not genocide, but when a genocide scholar tells people that it isn't, that is fraud under color of authority. It damages people's ability to identify atrocities accurately.
So let's check:
The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
I wouldn't call that a complete list -- it leaves out things like banning their language, religion, or other means of cultural transmission so that they cease to exist as a society -- but it's more than enough to qualify Israel bombing Palestine to gravel. The first three conditions apply widely.
Plus of course statements of intent from the Israeli government.
Fighting “human animals.” Making Gaza a “slaughterhouse.” “Erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”
Such inflammatory rhetoric is a key component of South Africa’s case accusing Israel of genocide at the U.N. world court, a charge that Israel denies. South Africa says the language — in comments by Israeli leaders, soldiers and entertainers about Palestinians in Gaza since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack sparked war — is proof of Israel’s intent to commit genocide.
"Human animals" ... doesn't that sound familiar? Ah yes, a standard tactic of genocide:
The comparison of victims to vermin is a common one for the perpetrators of genocide. The Nazis compared Jews to rats and serpents, with numerous cartoons showing these animals with exaggerated ‘Jewish’ features.
And from the same article, here's another expression of the plan:
Announcing a ‘complete siege’ of Gaza two days after Hamas’ attack on Israel, the latter’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, was straightforward about his view of Palestinians. “There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting against human animals and will act accordingly.”
Well, if you cut off all the survival needs, that kills everyone in the affected area, which constitutes genocide. Or at least that's what the Jews said when they got shut in ghettos and Germans cut off survival needs.
Israel's trauma is talking out its mouth, and now that is everyone's problem.
Take Action
Actions you can take in light of the unfolding genocide in Gaza
Prevention of Genocide
Genocide Watch and donate here
World Without Genocide (donation button on main page)
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Date: 2024-11-17 01:33 am (UTC)Two points I feel I need to bring up.
When asked if he considered the IDF's actions to be genocide, Benjamin Netanyahu denied it. To Quote: "You cannot call it genocide. That only applies to humans."
They are not just 'careless' of civilian casualties. The IDF are deliberately shooting children and then when a group gathers to render aid, they bomb them! Or alternatively, they bomb an area, then use drones to shoot any injured children caught by the blast. They are deliberately killing civilians and children as a terror tactic.
Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-17 02:19 am (UTC)O_O I had not heard that one.
Okay, when do we start wondering if they're possessed, infested, or otherwise not functioning under their own volition? My partner Doug pointed out that Hitler's totem was Virus. And now I'm remembering the zombie caterpillars.
It's just a ghastly situation for Jews, the ones who do see the genocide for what it is. They had one refuge, their culture; but now their culture is turning into the enemy -- into genocidal maniacs -- and driving them out.
I wonder if it'll cause a schism. Many a religion has split over less.
Jewish Voice for Peace seems to be the main cluster of Jews taking action against the genocide in Palestine. And they've put a name on it: Never Again Is Now. Heartbreaking. "Never Again" didn't even last a full human lifetime.
>>They are not just 'careless' of civilian casualties. The IDF are deliberately shooting children and then when a group gathers to render aid, they bomb them! <<
I've heard of them doing that with soldiers, too, which is part of a very old tactic -- wounded soldiers tie up more resources and manpower than head ones, plus that makes it easier to snipe the others.
>> Or alternatively, they bomb an area, then use drones to shoot any injured children caught by the blast. They are deliberately killing civilians and children as a terror tactic. <<
I've heard about the weaponized drones. It's exactly why people pointed out that arming drones was a bad idea because it would increase human casualties. Though most of them were thinking about incidents claimed as "accidental." I was the one pointing out that when you can murder people you've decided to hate without risking your own skin in proximity, that makes it a lot more attractive.
They've also been targeting hospitals, ambulances, identifiable medics or aid workers, any supply of food or water big enough to recognize, etc. Which are also war crimes. It's like they're going down a list trying to make a check all the boxes. >_<
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-17 02:31 am (UTC)Yeah.. funny how that quote isn't being widely reported...
Minor point you should know about those weaponised drones. They're autonomous. There's isn't a pilot flying them, but an A.I programmed to seek out targets, aka human-shaped objects. (There are reports of them shooting mannikins) With another A.I 'commander' running facial recognition (among other programs) to pick likely areas of interest.
Apparently, there were friendly fire incidents at first which is why the IDF do not operate these drones where their soldiers are. So the drones refer back to a human who clears them to engage. So, the computers tell them where to target with conventional weapons, fly the drones, pick a target, and the human just clicks Ok on a mouse. 30 or 40 times day according to one report. They're even talking about removing that step if they can make it 'more efficient', aka it doesn't shoot IDF forces at least.
Pretty sure you can see the problems with this. They're just going to turn loose the murder-bots and kill everyone.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-17 02:36 am (UTC)Oh, and yes, it's already causing a schism. There's numerous 'Jews against genocide' groups outside Israel.
But yeah, it does make me wonder if there's something in the soil or water in that region, some species of Toxoplasmosis or something..Because as far back as you go, there's always been violence there.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-11-17 03:10 am (UTC)I was wrong. It may not have begun as genocide, but there is no excuse or other name for what Israel is doing.
And yet...Hamas' stated goal is Jewish genocide. Asked how they could claim they did not kill non-combatants when the murder of infants was documented, they said something along the lines of "since they are illegitimate, there are no civilians in Israel." How do you respond to that kind of intransigence?
Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-17 05:34 am (UTC)Israel has long been working to crowd out Palestinians, whether by death or displacement. The current round is not new, just more open now that Israel has tested the waters and found they can literally get away with murder.
When one group invades the territory of another group, and expands over time to take more territory, conflict is a predictable result.
Hamas does behave badly. But what reward is there for being a "good" victim? Your enemies will kill you anyway, or crowd you out of your home. How much abuse are people expected to swallow before fighting back? At some point, they are going to decide that it doesn't matter if they all die, they can at least take some of the bastards with them.
>> I was wrong. It may not have begun as genocide, but there is no excuse or other name for what Israel is doing.<<
No excuse, but reasons, and the root reasons show why this is everyone's problem, not just Palestine's problem. Israel is never going to feel safe. Jews never feel safe. Israel was founded entirely by trauma survivors, and generational trauma is a fundamental part of the Jewish tradition. They're not even wrong; anti-semitism is still a serious problem. But they're not just attacking Hamas, or Palestine; they're attacking other nearby countries too. Do you think they'll stop if they kill all the Palestinians and take all the Palestinian land? I don't. They're surrounded by people who aren't Jews and don't like them, so they'll just wind up in a fight with somebody else. Israel does not seem to have either the skills or the desire to interact gracefully with other nations. (This is true of many countries in the Middle East, and for that matter, central Europe has been a bucket of crabs for centuries too.)
>> And yet...Hamas' stated goal is Jewish genocide. Asked how they could claim they did not kill non-combatants when the murder of infants was documented, they said something along the lines of "since they are illegitimate, there are no civilians in Israel." <<
Yeah. That's exactly the position that invaded nations usually take. Like say, Ukraine trying to fend off Russian encroachment. Russia uses the settler invasion method too. It's a big part of how they've been pecking away at that border for a while. The same thing happened in America. And that's why I can't sympathize with Israeli victims, except in an abstract that it's sad when people die, especially children. If you choose to go into contested territory, you are choosing to enter that fight. The children are just born into it, but children always wind up paying for the mistakes of adults.
Obviously attacking Israel was a poor strategy. Israel is more powerful and they're showing it by pounding Palestine to gravel. But they were always intending to destroy Palestine one way or another. This is faster and messier. Sometimes, when you've been oppressed long enough, you just sort of stop feeling the suffering as much, and thus don't really care if gets you killed so long as you can strike back at your enemies. Sometimes you think, maybe if you hurt them enough, they'll leave you alone. And when both sides are in that headspace, you get a war that doesn't end until one side is dead or gone.
>> How do you respond to that kind of intransigence? <<
Well, when you have two groups that would both like to kill the other group and take all their stuff, it has a predictable set of possible paths:
* One group successfully wipes out the other in a completed genocide. For all the squawking about Hitler, he never did manage to kill off all of any of his targets. But look at Australia and America, both of whom completely obliterated multiple tribes. Considering that Israel has nuclear weapons and Palestine does not, this is a likely outcome.
* One group successfully drives the other out of reach in a completed exile. This is also quite plausible. Used to be there was enough room in the world for them to find somewhere else as a group, more often than not, but now there's nowhere for a group to go. The Jews are one of the very few exiled cultures that managed to maintain an identity over the long term. I doubt Palestine would manage, but it might.
* What starts out as a small conflict between two groups flares into a massive, world-shaking war. This is most likely if both groups have allies to pull in -- or if not allies, at least 2+ clusters of people who don't like each other. While perhaps a lower probability, this is still plausible because Israel has powerful allies afar but is surrounded by Islamic states who may decide they hate Israel more than they hate each other.
* Surrounding cultures pressure the ones in conflict to cool down their combat. This can work for a while in terms of keeping war off the hot burner, but it is not peace nor is it stable. I don't think other countries give sufficient fucks to achieve this, and hell, it's the Middle East, it's been a seething mess of violence for most of the last 6,000 years or so. Just that we know of.
* Nobody succeeds in completely killing the other or driving them far enough away, so they just keep fighting over the same territory and/or issues for ... as long as they both last. This is the story in much of the Middle East and several other hotspots in the world.
* People on both sides get sufficiently fed up with the violence and losses that they voluntarily stop it themselves. This may mean moving out of reach from each other, or finding something else to do, or just quiet-quitting the war by ignoring each other. It only works if they both do this at the same time, though. You need two sides to have a war, but only one to have a massacre. This is ... not quite impossible.
There are people on both sides agitating for peace. The problem is, they are a minority and being attacked by their own sides. American Jewish organizations are outright, openly purging themselves of Jews who think that genocide is wrong and Palestinians have a right to exist. Which is a problem because it's gutting them of their youth. Plus they're pressuring everyone else to do the same, like universities, with a prevailing amount of success.
On the bright side, anyone and everyone can pursue this path for any conflict or just because you generally think that peace is a more desirable way than war, and there are better ways to solve problems than by murdering people. Multiple philosophies, religions, and other organizations have plenty of material about peacework skills. And what if everybody did that? The conflict would go away.
Sadly, history indicates that humans are bad at this. We can keep trying anyway.
* Sometimes, major unforeseeable changes make the conflict a moot point. For example, the Middle East is already hot. America just selected the path of 3C+ climate change by electing a climate arsonist. So it's not difficult to predict that in the foreseeable future, environmental foreclosure will simply take that part of the world off the gameboard.
In which case, I strongly recommend that the rest of the global community do its best to separate groups in conflict and not put them together anywhere, the way America crammed hostile tribes onto the same reservation, repeatedly, in hopes they'd kill each other off. I doubt anyone will listen, but separating hostile parties by enough physical distance can break up a conflict over the long term.
The situation is a mess. Lots of people are committing atrocities. This was all obviously going to happen from the time Europe shoehorned Israel into the Middle East, already an unstable area. I have come to suspect that this was not an accident. There are no easy solutions. So this will likely stay a mess. I can't stop it, but at least I can acknowledge it.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-18 04:51 pm (UTC)This!
Though FWIW, before the Hamas attack, they were well on the way to normalizing relationships with other Arab states. Things actually were looking hopeful, though not for their Palestinian subjects.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-18 06:30 pm (UTC)Sadly, this is what happens when a culture is assigned a territory of its own after many generations of not having borders and being hounded by basically everyone else. Israel doesn't understand what boundaries are or how to have healthy relationships with other countries. How could it? The history is all violence and abuse, and now that's everybody's problem.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-11-17 09:15 pm (UTC)Thoughts
Date: 2024-11-17 10:19 pm (UTC)I agree.
>> I don't think there will ever be peace in the middle east.<<
I would say low chance, rather than no chance. Occasionally people do get a clue. I think environmental foreclosure is more likely though.
(no subject)
Date: 2024-11-18 12:29 am (UTC)I do not place much trust in the United Nations — for one thing, UNRWA was in bed with Hamas. Israel isn’t perfect, but the IDF has tried to minimize civilian casualties among the Palestinians, and in at least some cases, lived up to its standard of “purity of arms”; in other cases, perhaps not.
Palestinian babies and other innocent civilians have my sympathy, but let us remember that it is not a war crime,and is not genocide,to kill civilians while waging war. It is a war crime to deliberately target and kill civilians when not seeking to achieve a military objective — which perfectly describe October 7. Hamas could have spared its people by surrendering and freeing its hostages, but has chosen not to do so. German and Japanese civilians killed or mutilated by Allied bombing in World War Two also have my retroactive sympathy, at least the ones who were not adults gung-ho for Hitler, but in an important sense, their suffering was the responsibility of Hitler and the Japanese militarists. Similarly, I consider Hamas culpable for the suffering of the Gazans. Israel was willing to live in peace with Gaza, even a Gaza ruled by Hamas, but Hamas chose otherwise.