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I'm pleased to see someone else admitting that not all cities can stay where they are.  This article gives several examples of how cities could adapt to climate change, including the option of moving inland. 

Some of these are viable solutions for problems like sunny-day floods, saltwater encroachment, or land loss.

However, none of them will defend against the increasingly violent storms that batter the coastlines.  Those range for many miles inland.  Some whole states are at risk, and many more have significant areas at risk.  That's before accounting for the inland  impact of hurricanes.  Since human habitations require water and often hug the coastlines, a complete inland retreat is probably unfeasible.  We'll have to figure out ways of coping with both floods and winds, which is difficult.  But the farther from the coast, the better, for both of those hazards.

In order to choose appropriate response strategies, each city must look at its current and projected problems, along with its general needs and available resources.  The bottom line is that a lot of people will have to move due to environmental foreclosure, and many more will have to change the way they do things.  This can be done in safer, more logical ways through managed retreat or in risky evacuations as people flee just ahead of disasters.

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Date: 2021-06-28 09:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erulisse
Another really unfortunate potential effect of strategic retreat/relocation when you are in a coastal area is that new construction tends to significantly reduce the ability of the ground to absorb water and route it in ways that won't cause problems. A lot of the inland flooding that happens in the Houston metro is because of this.

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Date: 2021-06-29 12:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erulisse
Houston could definitely do a lot more to mitigate than it currently does. And it used to build a lot smarter. In the neighborhood where we lived, all the yards had a good slope down to the street and the houses were pier and beam on top of that meaning that in total there was typically a four foot elevation change between the gutter and doorjam. Plus a good bit of setback meant that there was plenty of space for water to go and yard to absorb some before it could get up toward the houses. The streets would flood and if we had enough warning before a nasty storm blew in we'd park some of the cars in the parking garage at the university for the duration but the houses pretty much never did.

Unfortunately the newer construction has a much larger amount of pavement and much less porous surface or exposed dirt/vegetation. There has been a general level of disregard across the city even for what could be done easily. When new construction takes runoff and flood prevention into account it is in the form of culverts and holding ponds and cisterns which have specific limits to their capacity and as far as I am aware (and I did some study on this as a social issue while I was in grad school) there is not much being done beyond that.

I find it super frustrating that so much of what should have been done all along to prevent and mitigate these issues would have been relatively simple "common sense" kinds of things that mostly just require a dose of good planning.

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Date: 2021-06-28 09:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siliconshaman

Well, Florida is a write-off whatever you do. The salt-water encroachment up through the porous limestone bedrock alone is going to wreck agriculture and destroy concrete foundations. Indeed, the recent collapse of that condo might be the result of that! There's talk of the concrete slab foundation suffering from salt-water damage, but I doubt that's the whole story.

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Date: 2021-06-29 12:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erulisse
From what I heard on the news this morning there is also a good chance that chemical damage from the chlorine in the insufficiently lined pool was also at play. Between the two....

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Date: 2021-06-29 02:25 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm pretty sure 3D printed concretedome houses could be designed to withstand storms.

I wonder if such buildings could be placed to act as windbreaks or tsunami buffers? (In case of tsunami, evacuate and come back later!)

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Date: 2021-06-29 03:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>I had not thought of that. Possibly they would help, or some other baffle might work better. I'd want some mathematicians and engineers to study this with water tables and wind tunnels to derive the most effective approach.<<

Also look at history and nature.

_For historical stuff:_
Were there societies that arrainge buildings so that they could serve as windbreaks or sunshades? A Brother's Price mentioned using farm buildings as windbreaks, and I believe I've heard of folks arrainging wagons to protect against precipitation or wind. (Trees are commonly used as windbreaks and sunshades, but they aren't buildings.)

_For nature:_

See how animals move. Geese and fish move in ways that cut air/water resistance. Emperor penguins can only overwinter by working together against the blizzards. Many grazing animals will stand in ways that protect them from the elements.

_And if you are looking at architecture:_

What sort of features (geographical or manmade) protect against the given disaster, or similar small-scale weather events?

What of these features could be built in such a way that they are inhabitable?

I could imagine a house-on-stilt setup, where underneath the house functions as a patio or pavilion most of the time...but for floods everyone just chills upstairs. (Inspired by my musings on architecture designed for a tidal floodplain...)

And any kind of a levee or wall could have housing on the land ward side. It could even be set up as two or more walls, with the habitable space as compartments in between. (Think compartmentalization as on the Titanic.) Just be sure to evacuate for big storms!

_If we were protecting against flooding specifically:_

- Costal houses can be arrainged so that they function as a seawall in the event of a flood. (I am unsure if how much of a dent they might put in a tsunami, but it is worth thinking about.)

- If building a high-rise building, try to design it so it will work even when the lower levels flood. If frequent floods are expected, it may be possible include technology to harvest electricity from the tides in the floodable levels.

- Related, I'll bet something designed like a Mesoamerican pyramid would be a great tall structure for a tsunami - alarm goes off, everyone inside goes upstairs and opens the pper doors, everyone outside walks up the (decorative and functional) stairs, and can watch the mayhem, or wait it out inside.

- If you can't /stop/ the water, can you /channel/ it? (This would likely work better with freshwater...but theoretically a catchment pond in a desert could be set up for solar distillation.) Conversely, flooding coming from uphill could be used as a street-washing service...or as musical stairs / a musical fountain. (Do be sure people in the streets have a quick & easy way to escape the flooding, though!.)

- Design streets so they can double as canals. Paint addresses, street names and depth markers on the tops of buildings. (Possibly also stick flags on the roofs, if the floodwaters get really high - and put depth markers on the flagpoles, too!)

Not architecture, but if you expect floods, train as many people as possible in water rescue. Offer incentives for boat owners to register, get training, and do drills. We're gonna need more Cajun Navies, unfortunately.

Also, does anyone know if Roman aquatic concrete can be set above water? Can it be used in sometimes-wet-sometimes-dry environs?

There's other ideas I could suggest for different disasters, but this is what I've got for wind-precipitation-flood stuff.

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