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This article explores housing that needs little or no infrastructure.  It's generally known as off-grid housing, and a lot of alternative building methods suit this approach very well. 

You really have to think about what you want and need from a house.  Straw bale is probably the most insulating thing you can build other than those houses made from spray insulation itself.  Adobe and rammed earth are about as close to fireproof as it's possible to get.  Earthberms ignore tornadoes and hurricanes.  Monolithic domes not only ignore violent storms but also earthquakes.  But if you're off the grid, YOU are responsible for your own ... everything.  You want a toilet?  You dig a pit or plumb a composting toilet.  You want light?  Oil lamps or solar panels are options.  You want heat?  A woodstove or similar is a popular choice, but see above, several alternative styles need little or no supplemental heat and may also provide a modest amount of cooling.

There are also traditional home styles such as yurts, tipis, log cabins, caves, etc.  Many of these are still in play as they have certain advantages over standard housing.  You can't pick up a regular house and carry it off, but you can any of the tent-type homes.  A cave is unparalleled for people who want to be left alone, and in fact, there are entire cliff cities originally built into windcaves that have no stairs, so if anyone came to bother them, people just pulled up the ladders and waited for the assholes to leave.

These things are completely possible.  People are using them.  I know people who have used many of those.  Hell, we have a woodstove and oil lamps precisely because civilization is unreliable and the power conks out several times a year.  Using infrastructure is overwhelmingly the most popular choice, but it is not the only choice.  You have other options if you hate infrastructure.  Or people.  Or civilization.

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Date: 2021-01-29 09:34 am (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman

You don't even need to move. It's possible, although not easy, to retrofit a standard house to be more grid independent. Generally that's more of a back-up in case of infrastructure failure, although sometimes it leans the other way, with the infrastructure as the back-up. Power is easy, solar and battery banks. Water is somewhat harder, as is waste management, although homes with septic tanks are simple as they're half-way there already. Building a leech field and reed bed if you've enough land is pretty much one step removed from gardening.

I dream of building an off-grid home a long way from anyone else... although being lazy, also within reach of shops. Framing and growing your own food is possible, but hard work.

AH

Date: 2021-01-29 03:53 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
That's IF you have a house rather than an apartment.

Apartment dwellers don't own the land. They can't even change the light fixtures, even though those can be re-mounted.

So, all of this hinges on LAND ownership, which is increasingly priced out of the reach of most people.

Re: AH

Date: 2021-01-29 04:02 pm (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman

Good point!! Land ownership is increasingly the exclusive right of the one percenters. and/or their companies. Even land that isn't in use, or in public ownership, is often unavailable.

Edited Date: 2021-01-29 04:03 pm (UTC)

Re: AH

Date: 2021-02-01 01:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I once had someone (friendly-)advise me that "Unless your name is on the lease, you don't get a say." Feudalism much?

Re: AH

Date: 2021-02-01 01:28 am (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman

Pretty much yes, and even if you name is on the lease, you don't get much of a say. There are all sorts of restrictions on what you can do with land you own, and that's not even including HOA regulations, which are a pit of vipers at the best of times.

Re: AH

Date: 2021-01-30 01:11 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Contrast that with government-assisted housing for the disabled here:

They have MONTHLY inspections, and will hassle people for changing light switch covers, or shades on pendant lights. Or having "too much stuff" in a closet.

It was a hot topic among the Paratransit riders, and it wasn't just one location. (Yes, it was a major gripe session every time they happened.) Everyone with section eight housing was dealing with that crap, yet, legally, there is only supposed to be an annual or semi-annual inspection.

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Date: 2021-01-29 04:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] we_are_spc
So then, question for you.

How would those of use with visual impairments work this sort of thing? Because as much as some of us don't like cicvilization/people )I'm becoming sort of ambivolent; I don't quite hate it yet, but it's increasingly hard to live in a sighted world that doesn't wish to adapt) we're stuc,k with depending on it/them most times.

We'd probably, to sort of answer my own question, go [personal profile] siliconshaman's route and be within some sort of distance to shops. Even though it might defeat some of the purpose.

-T~

make a list

Date: 2021-01-30 12:13 am (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Make a list of your own needs.

Here are some of mine:

- No standing.

Because of my physical issues (CP, arthritis, neuropathy), standing up at a kitchen counter is impossible. So, I need to plan a work station that's desk height or low enough to almost pinch my legs.

That also affects the way I arrange a bathroom, and I can't use a tub at all due to the pain from neuropathy in any amount of water. So, given an unlimited budget, I'd use a toilet that has a sink for hand washing on the tank area, and simply give up baths and showers in favor of old-style bathing.

- Diet restrictions.

Not just my allergy, but the problem of access to grocery stores mean that I have to prioritize heavy duty shelving for storing a full month's worth of non-perishable items.

So, if someone relies on microwaving freezer meals, they might want to have a small chest freezer near the microwave to hold JUST the meals, leaving the smaller fridge/freezer combo to hold the ice cream and ingredients like raw steaks.

- Environmental issues

Think about how much work you're willing to do to keep up the space. Rugs for me are a no-go (tripping hazard, even wall-to-wall carpet because I can't FEEL if I've lifted my foot enough), so I need to sweep and mop rather than vacuum the area. I have trouble bending, so putting dishes in an upper cabinet makes sense, but when the boys were in preschool, the dishes were in a lower cupboard so they could help themselves to cups and help to set the table.

The list of details can get quite long.

-How do your particular needs affect your STORAGE spaces?

For me, heavy emphasis on storing things out of sight, pantry storage, and books all add up to the idea that turning my bedroom closet into a pantry is perfectly reasonable, because my clothes will all fit into a two-drawer file cabinet save for sweaters (which hang on the back of the closet door because they're in use year round now).

I need a walk space of at least three feet to keep from tripping. For a blind person, I'd build from that requirement and optimize the natural light to make use of whatever sight the person has.

In terms of heat and power needs, I'd focus on solar power for a blind person, starting with a portable solar charger for a cell phone. If that's something that's workable, alone and unassisted, the "proper" panels would be even lower maintenance.

Re: make a list

Date: 2021-01-30 06:02 am (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Okay, take out everything that requires /land/, or ownership of the land, and the problem becomes much harder for even a young, fit, and able-bodied person to manage. The standard configurations of travel campers are plain old IMPOSSIBLE for me except as a sitting passenger who can't use the too-high dining table to work comfortably n anything, including eating. Other options are even LESS viable. But there are things that I can do in a rented space in bricks-and-sticks construction that DO help.

For a visually impaired person, I'd start by putting different textures around and mapping with them as landmarks. Not the throw pillows, but the love seat is a totally different texture than the left hand armchair, which is again different than the right hand armchair, and so on. (This can be done by tucking extra blankets of different textures over the pieces.) Storage inside furniture pieces can hold blankets or winter clothing, and still be accessible without assistance. The newer lift-beds that open like a toy box are TERRIBLE for anyone not fit and sighted, so the question becomes one of improvising and thinking creatively about furniture.

Re: make a list

Date: 2021-01-30 07:11 am (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Again, you're defaulting back to property ownership, for homes instead of apartments. Trying to make these changes, even under ADA laws, is out of reach for most people.

So, in a situation where you can't put nail holes in the wall, or apply permanent glues like the stick-on tub grips, getting VERY creative is mandatory.

Re: Also ...

Date: 2021-02-01 01:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If you are teaming up with (recent) immigrants, fully expect to run into cultural issues at some point. The exact nature and severity of those issues depends on your respective culture(s) and a few other factors. America/Japan will have issues with Ask/Hint communication, Russian/American will have different styles of emoting, America/Middle East will be politely befuddled by individualism vs collectivism. Some places are very much more (or very much less) religious/patriotic than the US.

This can be helped by including people familiar with both cultures in the mix. (On your end, look up / ask about common cultural confusions; especially if you keep running into the same issue.) Time and familiarity also help - some recurring issues will eventually downgrade from "What are you doing?" to "Oh, no need to worry, Bob's just being American today."

That said, most of the immigrants I know are wonderful people with a variety of useful skills, both social and practical. (And most immigrants I know seem to have /better/ social skills than many Americans I know...)

Oh, and if you are adding a language/culture barrier and there are not too many English-fluent/American-culture-fluent folks around, expect to be asked to take phone messages, help with paperwork, etc. (Its like being the one guy on campus with a car.)

Re: Also ...

Date: 2021-02-01 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>...Yankee Americans will have trouble. Southern Americans...<<

I am Yankee-raised, with Souther heritage (but I may be more Hint than is normal around here) and went to college in TN. Most of the Eastern-culture folks I work with are from Burma. (Also, it kind of odd to find people less socially-aggressive than I am - I'm rather quiet and nonconfrontational by American standards.)

>>I also recommend mixing multiple cultures if at all possible.<<

Most of my recent cross-cultural stuff has been multicultural by necessity, although there are at least two 'majority cultures' in the group.

It occurs to me...mixed groups might help kids in school. School would be less stressful if your not the only one learning English. And I know from personal experience that if everyone is dealing with Language Barriers it eventually becomes an unremarkable thing to work around.

>>...the best idea I've ever heard...<<

I remember that & I'd love to live there!

>>Been there, drove that!<<

I'd drive people to the store and stuff the one year I had a car.

One year I also gave the guy who was sleeping on our couch my phone # so he wouldn't have to sit around for hours waiting to be let in the house. (He was trying to move in but the paperwork hadn't gone through, so he didn't have keys for awhile.)

As for phones - once I had someone walk by and hand me the phone, which was stuck on a phone tree for some medical office. Since I had no idea what was going on, I chose the 'speak to a nurse's option to find out /who had called whom/. "So this is a weird question, but did we call you or did you call us? Also what business is this?"

Aaaand there was the other time someone wanted me to take notes on their conversation with a nice lady from the government, after the conversation was over. (I told them they needed to tell me at the beginning if they wanted help/notes, b/c I didn't eavesdrop on private stuff w/o permission.)

Re: Also ...

Date: 2021-02-01 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>They spend the first year or more just learning English,...<<

Or even social stuff. One of my adult students told me her kid came home completely exhausted because all the other kids spoke English. (Family speaks a Level-3 language.) This was also OOC Is Serious Business, because if someone who is usually full of energy is just drained... (And I wrote up with a cheat sheet so he could talk to his friends. Had to get someone else to translate it though. )

Re: Also ...

Date: 2021-02-02 12:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In that specific case, anyone who can figure out what needs to be communicated (student-teacher and friend-friend) and has access to a bilingual can do the same thing - cheat sheet phrase-page.

Lacking a suitable translator, or working with someone who can't read, do pictures.

With either one, if you can find someone who speaks the target language and the recipient is willing, you can go over pronunciation/speech.

(Kids being kids, laminating the pages may be a good idea, if they're not going to be altered with handwritten notes.)

And this works with adults, too, adjusted for vocabulary.

I can't fix everything, but if I've run into a solution where "Screw you, I can do better than /this/!" is a reasonable response...well it's worth a try, I guess.

Re: Also ...

Date: 2021-02-02 06:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That's how I ended up writing /two books/* - I got tired of running into the same problems, and consolidated/reworked my solutions into resources for two different levels.

*Not officially published-sold-in-stores, but it was still enough work that I can be proud of it! (And I think the work invested has more than paid off, in terms of making life easier and more efficient.)

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Date: 2021-02-02 12:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mdlbear
Another site to look at: THE MUD HOME. Build an earth house. Create your own beautiful world. I've been following Atulya Bingham's adventures for several years now.

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