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Stores are closing as more shopping moves online, and people don't want to lose all of them

Shoppers won't get a choice, though.  Stores aren't there to make you happy.  Their purpose is to make money.  If they don't, they'll close, no matter how many people want or need them.  You can just do without being able to try on clothes before you buy them or having a hardware clerk who actually knows what the products do.  The only way stores will survive is if people shop in them, and that's happening less and less.  Worse, it's the specialty stores that get hit the hardest -- and those are the products that benefit most from personal interaction.  Some generic stores may survive, but they're not great.  Imagine a world with nothing left but WalMart and a few shoe stores.  >_<

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Date: 2019-07-15 09:09 am (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman
It'll swing back.. eventually people will grow tired enough of being unable to try before they buy, or get advice on a product, that they'll go out of their comfort zone to go somewhere and buy their stuff..

or someone will figure out a way to do it digitally.

Re: Well ...

Date: 2019-07-15 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] we_are_spc
It already is. Doordash, Grubhub, Uber Eats. They're not helping.

Neither are us blind folk who do a lot of that mainly because it's cheaper for us.

That said, I love shopping for clothes in stores; the descriptions on the sites are shit, especially if you can't see the clothing staring you (Quite litteraly in some cases, because I hear they put them on forms) you in the face..

-Trausio~

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Date: 2019-07-15 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewayne
Case in point: here, Alamogordo. When my wife moved here after getting her PhD, there were 4-5 grocery stores. Then Walmart opened a regular-sized store. All was well.

Then Walmrt opened a superstore, and then there was just Walmart and a regional chain store.

Fortunately Albertsons sent a scout team through the area 4-5 years ago and their conclusion was "Why did we leave this town?" They built a new store, and a year or so after they opened (they were bringing in trucks three times a day to keep it filled for the first few months and poached all their cashiers from WM), Walmart opened a neighborhood grocery store in the NE part of town.

Retail is weird.

Our mall could be used as a zombie apocalypse mall, especially after Kmart closed. It had JC Penneys and a bunch of small stores and more closed store fronts than open. Since then, it was bought by an operator that transformed the mall in Gallup and took it to 100% occupancy, so there's hope. They've renovated the space that Kmart was in and a Melrose and Harbor Freight opened up and soon a Ross will open, so they're doing good.

Retail is weird.

My favorite example is a Home Depot opened. Useful things, Home Depots. Then literally next door a Lowe's Home Improvement opened. And I mean literally.(Google Maps)

Alamogordo now has three Subways, up from two when I moved here 14 years ago. The third used to be a Quiznos, but closed. A second McDonalds is under construction and will open in a couple of months. We now have two Taco Bells. We were supposed to get a second Starbucks, the first opened in the Albertsons, but the building was screwed-up: the foundation cracked and it was built across the property line of the Ford dealership next door. I've heard that when the law suits settle that it might be a Duncan Donuts.

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Date: 2019-07-15 03:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arlie
*sigh* I fear retail brought this on themselves. This may have been because of financial constraints - they couldn't afford to have a selection that made customers like me happy - or it may have been because they judged that they only needed to be as good as their competition, which was just as bad. Ditto for the shopping environment, where most clothing stores were and are actively unpleasant to me because of so-called music. And you also can't forget the fashion for buying companies, loading them up with debt to make a short term profit, then abandoning them to fail when interest rates went up.

I moved to Amazon because they had books I wanted. I wasn't picking books at brick-and-mortar stores by browsing - I was special ordering them. I moved to Lands End because I didn't have to deal with the painful music, or sort through heaps of stuff I didn't want in the hopes of finding whatever classics they might actually have - while sensory overload made me unlikely to actually spot what I came for.

Now that Amazon's killed most other bookstores, it's made it ever harder to find what I want, rather than what they want me to buy. Yay for "sponsored" merchandise - it tends to save me money by encouraging me to simply close the browser window rather than struggling throught the UI to buy what I was actually searching for.

Meanwhile, none of the local grocery stores ever have everything I came for. And when they do have what I want, it's often on shelves I simply can't reach, or that require sitting on the floor to access. Other choices are apparantly more profitable for them, and being unreliable about stocking apparantly encourages normall people to "try something new" rather than giving up in disgust.

I currently avoid Amazon when I can - but I have an order expected to arrive today, consisting of
- a type/flavour of tea no local store carries
- a dietary supplement where the local retail price has been climbing like a rocket, for something like 10% of local retail
- a very limited interest book written by an acquiantance

I live in a major metropolitain area, and am able and willing to drive in order to shop. If I lived in a smaller area, or was unable to drive for any reason, I'd have even more incentive to use etail.

Also, I'm writing this in the added comfort provided by an excellent window air conditioner. I was able to buy the best model (for my purposes) that I could discover, and get it delivered - by buying online. I think this is the first time in my life I've been able to buy the appliance model with the reviews that most attracted me - usually appliances are too heavy for shipping to be reasonable, adnd the local stores carry a tiny subset of available models.

I do miss browsing specialty bookstores - the big sci fi bookstore in New York had books I didn't know I wanted. And I'm not happy that we're now down to one hardware store in a reasonable distance - uncoincidentally the one that was most specialized in supplying local contractors, less in supplying local do-it-yourselfers. But for me personally, etail has been a net win - until the etailers realized they had enough market share to behave as badly asother retailers.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2019-07-16 06:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We had the "supplier no longer supplies" problem with catfood, of all things, and _no-one_ is selling that flavor* anymore. (We get the last laugh, because that was the only flavor we bought from that company - and we were willing to go to a lot of trouble to get it too.)

*For the curious, it is brushtail meat, which is a cute but invasive species of possum in New Zeland.

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Date: 2019-07-15 05:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Wal-Mart tried to kill one of my closer shopping malls in 2005, by leaving and invoking a "favoured tenant" clause in order to keep any of its competitors from moving in to fill the space for six months. The consequences forced a local grocery chain to retreat back across the Ottawa River to Québec, and I'm not sure that this particular mall has yet recovered from that. It's still going, but more of its floor space is set aside for rental as office space.

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Date: 2019-07-15 08:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Yeah. Fifteen years, and they moved in first a Zellers (low-budget chain owned by Hudson's Bay before their parent company decided they didn't want that part of the retail market anymore), and then a Target store. Then Target retreated from Canada completely. So they tore down half that floorspace, and split what was left between Mark's, l'Aubanerie (a clothing chain headquartered in Québec) and a new tenant yet to be nailed down.

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Date: 2019-07-15 05:45 pm (UTC)
redsixwing: A red knotwork emblem. (Default)
From: [personal profile] redsixwing
Yeah, that's a problem. My area is already low on stores selling things I care about, and I'm making a concerted effort to buy from the ones I like.

One of those is a used-book store that has entered into partnership with a furniture consignment store. The book seller goes to all the garage sales and library book sales in the area, skims the cream, and offers it at a good price (he even writes down customers' special interests and scouts for them!) You can peruse books and bookshelves in the same open, friendly shop, complete with good-mannered sofa-sized shop dog. I love that place and try to go in at least once a week.

The infrastructure will still be there even if the stores go under, but with the difficulty of opening a new business on a business model that's becoming less workable every year, I wonder what people think they're going to do if the ones we have drop out.
Edited Date: 2019-07-15 05:46 pm (UTC)

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