>>Depends on the dame, friend, depends on the dame. laugh<<
LOL yes, I like nerds. Classic Steve is exactly my size. I would have been all over him, and he would've been baffled, and we would've stayed up all night and fallen asleep on his sketchbook, and Bucky would've walked in on us and thought Steve finally got laid and then ... "Wait, what? Why are you still wearing clothes?" LOL
>>Along with that came a glowing blue hologram of Tony's personal keyboard, which of course looked nothing like a classic QWERTY.
I don't really get why it would make sense to have one side conform to the hand and the other more like a traditional keyboard, especially since it looks to long for easy use with one hand.<<
Presumably they're not used the same way. There are actually divided keyboards made where each hand has a very different set of controls, although not many.
It depends on what each user finds comfortable. Tony is an engineer, a cyborg, and a guy who never did think the way everyone else does. Of course he built his own keyboard that makes other people go "Huh?"
>> Interesting. I wonder what that's like for an AI.<<
Touchscreens are compelling. In user-friendly AI protocols, engagement is high-priority. In AI programming in general, as with habituation in humans, new or irregular motion is more interesting than old or regular motion. But rhythm has an appeal of its own, too. JARVIS tends to tune out background contact, for instance, picking up engine vibrations. He pays close attention to users, because he needs to do things like make sure they don't mash each other in a closing doorway. He pays the closest attention to the Avengers as core users. And then JARVIS realizes that he's not just doing it as a job, he actually enjoys certain types of tactile stimulation. Lounging a larger share of his attention in Steve's artpad may be his version of body painting.
>> I'm put in mind of the feel of new smartphone glass, all smooth and nice. I've been known to rub my face on my phone, especially when it's new. <<
I do it with book covers. :D
>>"I do not require it,"
This makes me a little sad. It feels like a lie. Or, maybe not a lie, but extremely incomplete. To mostly quote nu!Spock: " 'Require' has variable definitions."<<
It's inexperience, more than anything else. JARVIS, like Tony, had some gaps growing up. He doesn't fully grasp yet that there are needs which are not physical. However, JARVIS is keenly aware of those needs when they come up short. In a purely technical sense, Tony's presence is not required for their survival, but they all freaked right the fuck out during the Afghanistan incident.
>>A conversational routine, but with more nuance, if someone desires company?"
Sweetheart, this still sounds like a job. worries <<
JARVIS is just beginning to explore these things. Of course it sounds like a job, that's what he knows. He's been acting as friend and family to people all along. He just has trouble identifying or describing it, because it's a little different for him, and all the published descriptions are for humans. Hence why JARVIS keeps asking Phil if he's doing this family stuff right, or what feelings are, and so forth.
>> When I was a kid I got pineapple upside-down cake and dump cake confused, and was very disappointed with my pineapple upside-down cake. It took years to find out what it was that I wanted. <<
Aww. I'm glad you figured it out eventually. It does actually work as dump cake if the first thing you dump is the fruit layer, but that's for crushed pineapple or other pie-filling-like stuff. It doesn't work with the rings.
>>Steve dealt a stack of ceramic trivets onto the table as if they were playing cards, each one landing neatly where he aimed it.
Wow! At first I was like "really? That's not a thing." but then I remembered he's a superhero with impossible shield-throwing skills. Nice domestic use of superskill.<<
*laugh* Well, that's how Steve learned it, but it's a real skill. There are people who can throw cards over buildings, or flip them into exactly the right place on the table. It just takes practice. And once you know how to throw flat things like that, doing it with ceramic trivets isn't that difficult. Clint could do it too. But then Tony would try, and probably break something. LOL
>>"I do not know how I tell the difference," JARVIS said slowly. "I just know."
One would think being an AI would solve this problem. Shouldn't he be able to look at his code? Or is it too complex?<<
Things that JARVIS codes on purpose are easy to parse. Things that he learns by osmosis are harder. He has to know what to look for. He could figure it out just by paying attention, now, for a few days or a week. But when he has to search through his code for something that's not already organized or labeled as such, then it takes time.
It's kind of like how humans learn not to wet the bed at night. It's conscious, because it's a learned skill; it's unconscious, because it works all night. But if you ask them how they do it, almost nobody can explain. You just know, but it's hard to say.
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Date: 2016-11-06 02:35 am (UTC)LOL yes, I like nerds. Classic Steve is exactly my size. I would have been all over him, and he would've been baffled, and we would've stayed up all night and fallen asleep on his sketchbook, and Bucky would've walked in on us and thought Steve finally got laid and then ... "Wait, what? Why are you still wearing clothes?" LOL
>>Along with that came a glowing blue hologram of Tony's personal keyboard, which of course looked nothing like a classic QWERTY.
I don't really get why it would make sense to have one side conform to the hand and the other more like a traditional keyboard, especially since it looks to long for easy use with one hand.<<
Presumably they're not used the same way. There are actually divided keyboards made where each hand has a very different set of controls, although not many.
Some have two different shapes:
http://news.filehippo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Combimouse.jpg
Some are round:
https://ergonomickeyboard1.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/gaming-keyb.jpg
It depends on what each user finds comfortable. Tony is an engineer, a cyborg, and a guy who never did think the way everyone else does. Of course he built his own keyboard that makes other people go "Huh?"
>> Interesting. I wonder what that's like for an AI.<<
Touchscreens are compelling. In user-friendly AI protocols, engagement is high-priority. In AI programming in general, as with habituation in humans, new or irregular motion is more interesting than old or regular motion. But rhythm has an appeal of its own, too. JARVIS tends to tune out background contact, for instance, picking up engine vibrations. He pays close attention to users, because he needs to do things like make sure they don't mash each other in a closing doorway. He pays the closest attention to the Avengers as core users. And then JARVIS realizes that he's not just doing it as a job, he actually enjoys certain types of tactile stimulation. Lounging a larger share of his attention in Steve's artpad may be his version of body painting.
>> I'm put in mind of the feel of new smartphone glass, all smooth and nice. I've been known to rub my face on my phone, especially when it's new. <<
I do it with book covers. :D
>>"I do not require it,"
This makes me a little sad. It feels like a lie. Or, maybe not a lie, but extremely incomplete. To mostly quote nu!Spock: " 'Require' has variable definitions."<<
It's inexperience, more than anything else. JARVIS, like Tony, had some gaps growing up. He doesn't fully grasp yet that there are needs which are not physical. However, JARVIS is keenly aware of those needs when they come up short. In a purely technical sense, Tony's presence is not required for their survival, but they all freaked right the fuck out during the Afghanistan incident.
>>A conversational routine, but with more nuance, if someone desires company?"
Sweetheart, this still sounds like a job. worries <<
JARVIS is just beginning to explore these things. Of course it sounds like a job, that's what he knows. He's been acting as friend and family to people all along. He just has trouble identifying or describing it, because it's a little different for him, and all the published descriptions are for humans. Hence why JARVIS keeps asking Phil if he's doing this family stuff right, or what feelings are, and so forth.
>> When I was a kid I got pineapple upside-down cake and dump cake confused, and was very disappointed with my pineapple upside-down cake. It took years to find out what it was that I wanted. <<
Aww. I'm glad you figured it out eventually. It does actually work as dump cake if the first thing you dump is the fruit layer, but that's for crushed pineapple or other pie-filling-like stuff. It doesn't work with the rings.
>>Steve dealt a stack of ceramic trivets onto the table as if they were playing cards, each one landing neatly where he aimed it.
Wow! At first I was like "really? That's not a thing." but then I remembered he's a superhero with impossible shield-throwing skills. Nice domestic use of superskill.<<
*laugh* Well, that's how Steve learned it, but it's a real skill. There are people who can throw cards over buildings, or flip them into exactly the right place on the table. It just takes practice. And once you know how to throw flat things like that, doing it with ceramic trivets isn't that difficult. Clint could do it too. But then Tony would try, and probably break something. LOL
>>"I do not know how I tell the difference," JARVIS said slowly. "I just know."
One would think being an AI would solve this problem. Shouldn't he be able to look at his code? Or is it too complex?<<
Things that JARVIS codes on purpose are easy to parse. Things that he learns by osmosis are harder. He has to know what to look for. He could figure it out just by paying attention, now, for a few days or a week. But when he has to search through his code for something that's not already organized or labeled as such, then it takes time.
It's kind of like how humans learn not to wet the bed at night. It's conscious, because it's a learned skill; it's unconscious, because it works all night. But if you ask them how they do it, almost nobody can explain. You just know, but it's hard to say.