>> She rendered first aid, gets accosted by the /press/, <<
Yep. It's not quite a Jump Up Johnny, but very close, and the effect is the same. It gets her thinking "Why am I even bothering to try being good?" because the outcomes are so unsatisfying. That's bad.
>> gets refused service at a fast food joint... <<
To be fair, she was wearing a battlesuit, which is alarming to a lot of ordinary citizens. She wasn't brandishing it, though, just walking up to the drive-through. Hefty's probably had that happen to him too, but I imagine he handles it with, "Hey kid, calm down. I'm just here for a sandwich. "Think of the suit as a car with feet." Fortressa doesn't have that much flexibility...
>> all after completely running out of cope. <<
... and then there's this problem. People need energy to solve problems, and when you run out, the results can get very bad. Fortressa really over-extended herself resisting temptation after temptation to hit people for being obnoxious, and then went way into the red zone by rendering first aid which is completely outside her usual job description. The reason the suit is rigged for that is because she gets knocked around in combat, and sometimes there are assaulted women who need immediate care -- and Fortressa knows that it's not something she personally does well. So they worked up some technological compensations. But it still costs her a lot of extra energy to focus on fixing people instead of breaking them.
>> I am a terrible, horrible human being, I think... I've STILL got more sympathy for her than for Tanner; he MADE his own problem, again! <<
Yes, he did. And like Shiv, he can't see how his own actions contributed to the situation.
I think that Fortressa is sympathetic because she started out trying to be a good person and just got fucked over so much, she decided to stop honoring a social contract that other people were only using to take advantage of her. Most of her resentment is pretty tightly focused on the same kinds of problems that wrecked her life: men mistreating women. It takes more to push her over the edge into something random like robbery, but the same pattern applies: if following the rules doesn't get her needs met, she'll try something else.
I honestly think at least half of supervillains could be prevented by guaranteeing people's basic needs such as food, shelter, health care, education, and not being abused.
>> Improper handling of firearms is STUPIDITY in action. <<
Agreed.
>> And I created the little idjit, so that should REALLY tell you how little I think of his 'survival skills' in any environment. <<
Heh, yeah. Even a good place has some rotten people in it. He's not out to destroy the world, just ... completely incompetent at behaving like a rational adult.
>> On the topic of his employment, the PD he used to work for is incredibly, indelibly glad they fired him immediately-- <<
That certainly saved them from getting splattered by his post-incident misbehavior.
>> people have been coming out of the woodwork to say things like, "He was not quite rude enough to be /actionably/ bigoted, but I really wished we /could/ have said something officially!" <<
Yeah, most serious incidents like the mall are preceded by a large number of smaller warning signs. Complaints that aren't enough to justify suspending someone can still be a clue that further training is needed.
>> More than abrasive, but not using key words where someone with any power COULD report him. <<
He seems to be the cunning sort of bigot.
>> There ARE plenty of instances of him using the "I'm on duty, may I finish this transaction quickly?" BS to jump lines, which has the department there considering ways to attack that particular behavior which won't penalize the whole police force. <<
On the civilian side, people should have the option to call the non-emergency line and confirm or deny whether the officer is in fact on duty doing something time-sensitive. On the departmental side, legitimate instances should spread out rather evenly among personnel -- if they get a lot of pings for one person, that suggests a problem. It's closely related to how a majority of complaints in a department focus on one or a few fricative individuals, and how a majority of crimes are committed by just a handful of people.
Terramagne is a lot more thoughtful about the process of balancing police and community relations. They want to keep it smooth, want citizens to have a generally positive view of the police so that folks will call promptly when there is a problem. Obnoxious little actions can add up to a significant drop in respect.
>> Interestingly, he has probably violated the terms of his particular conditional release before the trial is set. <<
Likely so.
>> Not because he was out of his home city, but because he has just unlawfully discharged a firearm, <<
Whether that applies to accidental discharge varies. I'm generally not a fan of blaming people for things they didn't do on purpose. Terramagne has stiffer gun laws, but in an area with a gun show, those are probably a bit looser than some other places. That could devolve into an argument among lawyers over which is more important, the law in the place he was standing or the law in the place his prior proceedings were at. (I can just imagine his lawyer hearing about this incident and barking, "Oy GEVALT!")
However, they can definitely nail Tanner on improper handling. He didn't have a holster at his waist and there's no question that he tried to put a gun down his pants. What happened is exactly why that constitutes improper handling.
Which is probably enough to cost him the right to carry a gun, period. Minor infractions where nobody gets hurt (like leaving a gun unsecured in a vehicle) are more likely to result in a temporary suspension; major infractions where someone is injured or killed are more likely to result in a permanent ban. That's the Terramagne tendency toward disqualify-out rather than qualify-in showing.
>> with complications due to the number of people in the area, the fact that it's a pistol rather than an energy weapon, et cetera. <<
Agreed. Most folks in Terramagne just don't like guns, and especially firearms. They are somewhat more tolerant of things like zatzers or sleep rays that do no lasting harm.
>> When he gets out of the hospital, he IS likely to face extremely stiff consequences because he's already got such heavy charges (especially endangering the public, again!) waiting for him, <<
That makes sense. Terramagne takes a particularly dim view of people who don't learn from their mistakes, and continue cause the same kind of problem. So the penalties tend to scale up with repeated offenses.
>> and it may be decided that it's SAFER for others to make him spend time in jail before the first trial! <<
Very likely, and that is exactly what they use jail for the most: containing active hazards. If this is best behavior the guy can muster, then he's really not up to running around loose on his own recognizance. He probably got that much before because he was a police officer at the time of the original incident, which isn't the free pass in T-America that is here, but does give more leeway. Since he doesn't have a badge anymore, this event will get processed under civilian standards without that protection.
And the people running the jails there are a lot more alert to signs of trouble than the ones here, in terms of spotting personality disorders and other pattern problems. Tanner will find it a lot harder to hide his true nature from them.
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Re: Poor Fortressa!
Date: 2015-05-08 05:07 pm (UTC)Yep. It's not quite a Jump Up Johnny, but very close, and the effect is the same. It gets her thinking "Why am I even bothering to try being good?" because the outcomes are so unsatisfying. That's bad.
>> gets refused service at a fast food joint... <<
To be fair, she was wearing a battlesuit, which is alarming to a lot of ordinary citizens. She wasn't brandishing it, though, just walking up to the drive-through. Hefty's probably had that happen to him too, but I imagine he handles it with, "Hey kid, calm down. I'm just here for a sandwich. "Think of the suit as a car with feet." Fortressa doesn't have that much flexibility...
>> all after completely running out of cope. <<
... and then there's this problem. People need energy to solve problems, and when you run out, the results can get very bad. Fortressa really over-extended herself resisting temptation after temptation to hit people for being obnoxious, and then went way into the red zone by rendering first aid which is completely outside her usual job description. The reason the suit is rigged for that is because she gets knocked around in combat, and sometimes there are assaulted women who need immediate care -- and Fortressa knows that it's not something she personally does well. So they worked up some technological compensations. But it still costs her a lot of extra energy to focus on fixing people instead of breaking them.
>> I am a terrible, horrible human being, I think... I've STILL got more sympathy for her than for Tanner; he MADE his own problem, again! <<
Yes, he did. And like Shiv, he can't see how his own actions contributed to the situation.
I think that Fortressa is sympathetic because she started out trying to be a good person and just got fucked over so much, she decided to stop honoring a social contract that other people were only using to take advantage of her. Most of her resentment is pretty tightly focused on the same kinds of problems that wrecked her life: men mistreating women. It takes more to push her over the edge into something random like robbery, but the same pattern applies: if following the rules doesn't get her needs met, she'll try something else.
I honestly think at least half of supervillains could be prevented by guaranteeing people's basic needs such as food, shelter, health care, education, and not being abused.
>> Improper handling of firearms is STUPIDITY in action. <<
Agreed.
>> And I created the little idjit, so that should REALLY tell you how little I think of his 'survival skills' in any environment. <<
Heh, yeah. Even a good place has some rotten people in it. He's not out to destroy the world, just ... completely incompetent at behaving like a rational adult.
>> On the topic of his employment, the PD he used to work for is incredibly, indelibly glad they fired him immediately-- <<
That certainly saved them from getting splattered by his post-incident misbehavior.
>> people have been coming out of the woodwork to say things like, "He was not quite rude enough to be /actionably/ bigoted, but I really wished we /could/ have said something officially!" <<
Yeah, most serious incidents like the mall are preceded by a large number of smaller warning signs. Complaints that aren't enough to justify suspending someone can still be a clue that further training is needed.
>> More than abrasive, but not using key words where someone with any power COULD report him. <<
He seems to be the cunning sort of bigot.
>> There ARE plenty of instances of him using the "I'm on duty, may I finish this transaction quickly?" BS to jump lines, which has the department there considering ways to attack that particular behavior which won't penalize the whole police force. <<
On the civilian side, people should have the option to call the non-emergency line and confirm or deny whether the officer is in fact on duty doing something time-sensitive. On the departmental side, legitimate instances should spread out rather evenly among personnel -- if they get a lot of pings for one person, that suggests a problem. It's closely related to how a majority of complaints in a department focus on one or a few fricative individuals, and how a majority of crimes are committed by just a handful of people.
Terramagne is a lot more thoughtful about the process of balancing police and community relations. They want to keep it smooth, want citizens to have a generally positive view of the police so that folks will call promptly when there is a problem. Obnoxious little actions can add up to a significant drop in respect.
>> Interestingly, he has probably violated the terms of his particular conditional release before the trial is set. <<
Likely so.
>> Not because he was out of his home city, but because he has just unlawfully discharged a firearm, <<
Whether that applies to accidental discharge varies. I'm generally not a fan of blaming people for things they didn't do on purpose. Terramagne has stiffer gun laws, but in an area with a gun show, those are probably a bit looser than some other places. That could devolve into an argument among lawyers over which is more important, the law in the place he was standing or the law in the place his prior proceedings were at. (I can just imagine his lawyer hearing about this incident and barking, "Oy GEVALT!")
However, they can definitely nail Tanner on improper handling. He didn't have a holster at his waist and there's no question that he tried to put a gun down his pants. What happened is exactly why that constitutes improper handling.
Which is probably enough to cost him the right to carry a gun, period. Minor infractions where nobody gets hurt (like leaving a gun unsecured in a vehicle) are more likely to result in a temporary suspension; major infractions where someone is injured or killed are more likely to result in a permanent ban. That's the Terramagne tendency toward disqualify-out rather than qualify-in showing.
>> with complications due to the number of people in the area, the fact that it's a pistol rather than an energy weapon, et cetera. <<
Agreed. Most folks in Terramagne just don't like guns, and especially firearms. They are somewhat more tolerant of things like zatzers or sleep rays that do no lasting harm.
>> When he gets out of the hospital, he IS likely to face extremely stiff consequences because he's already got such heavy charges (especially endangering the public, again!) waiting for him, <<
That makes sense. Terramagne takes a particularly dim view of people who don't learn from their mistakes, and continue cause the same kind of problem. So the penalties tend to scale up with repeated offenses.
>> and it may be decided that it's SAFER for others to make him spend time in jail before the first trial! <<
Very likely, and that is exactly what they use jail for the most: containing active hazards. If this is best behavior the guy can muster, then he's really not up to running around loose on his own recognizance. He probably got that much before because he was a police officer at the time of the original incident, which isn't the free pass in T-America that is here, but does give more leeway. Since he doesn't have a badge anymore, this event will get processed under civilian standards without that protection.
And the people running the jails there are a lot more alert to signs of trouble than the ones here, in terms of spotting personality disorders and other pattern problems. Tanner will find it a lot harder to hide his true nature from them.