>> Yeah, very sad indeed. Proof that the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a tough one to survive, let alone thrive. <<
Too true.
>> I agree that explanation - it makes sense. Betrayal is very hard to recover from, particularly since it undermines not only the person's trust in others but their trust in themselves. "I trusted this person and they hurt me. How could I be so stupid?" <<
Yes, exactly. The hardest to recover is your trust in yourself, because if you can't tell who is trustworthy and who is not, you're just fucked. It doesn't MATTER who is trustworthy or not, if you can't distinguish them!
That's why Tony is such a wreck. He has been betrayed, not just once, but repeatedly. That makes it extremely difficult for him to trust anyone else, ever. I honestly think that what keeps Tony alive and functional is that he has one person he can trust absolutely and unquestionably: JARVIS. That's the real reason JARVIS chose to keep the secret about the palladium poisoning. Even if he'd had someone to turn to who could have solved the problem, it would have saved Tony's body but broken his soul. Not a trade worth making.
>> Even if he wanted to reach out to Phil for help, the evil monkey in his head (you know the one, it plays the bad tape) is probably saying "Don't. He'll just hurt you like that other person hurt you." <<
That is so painfully true.
Wow, now I'm thinking of Shift the ape from The Last Battle. Because that fucker was a fucking headtrip, the emotional abuse was appalling. I am seriously imagining Shift clinging to Nick's back and whispering evil things in his ear.
>> The evil monkey can be very loud and very convincing even when you know logically the evil monkey is full of it. <<
Yeah, that's the hard part.
Now I want fanart of this: Nick with new eyepatch and the monkey on his back, Phil trying to reach out to Nick and wondering why Nick won't reach back anymore. All the hurty hurtness.
>> I'm not trying to excuse his bad behavior and choices, just saying it is a little more understandable about WHY he keeps making said bad choices and behavior. <<
There's a difference between explaining behavior and condoning it. Fury's bad actions are still bad actions that hurt people ... but we can see how they are less free choices than they might otherwise seem.
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dancing_serpent
Re: Fury
Date: 2014-08-13 01:55 am (UTC)Too true.
>> I agree that explanation - it makes sense. Betrayal is very hard to recover from, particularly since it undermines not only the person's trust in others but their trust in themselves. "I trusted this person and they hurt me. How could I be so stupid?" <<
Yes, exactly. The hardest to recover is your trust in yourself, because if you can't tell who is trustworthy and who is not, you're just fucked. It doesn't MATTER who is trustworthy or not, if you can't distinguish them!
That's why Tony is such a wreck. He has been betrayed, not just once, but repeatedly. That makes it extremely difficult for him to trust anyone else, ever. I honestly think that what keeps Tony alive and functional is that he has one person he can trust absolutely and unquestionably: JARVIS. That's the real reason JARVIS chose to keep the secret about the palladium poisoning. Even if he'd had someone to turn to who could have solved the problem, it would have saved Tony's body but broken his soul. Not a trade worth making.
>> Even if he wanted to reach out to Phil for help, the evil monkey in his head (you know the one, it plays the bad tape) is probably saying "Don't. He'll just hurt you like that other person hurt you." <<
That is so painfully true.
Wow, now I'm thinking of Shift the ape from The Last Battle. Because that fucker was a fucking headtrip, the emotional abuse was appalling. I am seriously imagining Shift clinging to Nick's back and whispering evil things in his ear.
>> The evil monkey can be very loud and very convincing even when you know logically the evil monkey is full of it. <<
Yeah, that's the hard part.
Now I want fanart of this: Nick with new eyepatch and the monkey on his back, Phil trying to reach out to Nick and wondering why Nick won't reach back anymore. All the hurty hurtness.
>> I'm not trying to excuse his bad behavior and choices, just saying it is a little more understandable about WHY he keeps making said bad choices and behavior. <<
There's a difference between explaining behavior and condoning it. Fury's bad actions are still bad actions that hurt people ... but we can see how they are less free choices than they might otherwise seem.