One of the easier ways to sell me a movie is have a cast where each person is a different race, or at least duplicates are male/female. Because if they're the same race, especially if they're also similar in other ways, I have a hard time telling characters apart. A diverse cast list makes this much easier.
What if someone did a comic, cartoon, etc where all the majority people (whotefolk, men, cops) weren't drawn with faces, as a sort of illustration of the whole difficulty of determining safe person vs dangerous person?
They could also do it so that priviliged allies get their faces drawn in once the viewpoint character seems them 'safe'...and the faces blink out again when [not if, when] the ally does something threatening.
>> What if someone did a comic, cartoon, etc where all the majority people (whotefolk, men, cops) weren't drawn with faces, as a sort of illustration of the whole difficulty of determining safe person vs dangerous person? <<
That sounds awesome. It'd work in Terramagne if you want to prompt for it. Newspaper comic strips are still very popular there.
>> They could also do it so that priviliged allies get their faces drawn in once the viewpoint character seems them 'safe'...<<
Okay ...
>> and the faces blink out again when [not if, when] the ally does something threatening.<<
I would say if. Not everyone will make the same kind of mistake. Some people are just plain too mousy to be threatening. Others may look white but culturally are something else, so they don't act white. Think about Shiv, who sounds and acts far more black than white; or Boss Blaster, who looks white, is actually Hispanic by heritage, and grew up culturally mixed-to-black.
>>I would say if. Not everyone will make the same kind of mistake.<<
Fair enough.
My default is still to expect that sort of stuff from people more priviliged than I, and be pleasantly suprised if it doesn't happen.
>>Some people are just plain too mousy to be threatening.<<
Intersection of privilige might make a physically unimposing person terrifying based on actions, words, or social context. Not always, but it can happen.
>>Others may look white but culturally are something else, so they don't act white. Think about Shiv, who sounds and acts far more black than white; or Boss Blaster, who looks white, is actually Hispanic by heritage, and grew up culturally mixed-to-black.<<
Gender instead of race, but I think I know a guy in RL who is like this. He's a very chill househusband, is excellent at emotional labor, and I don't think I've ever heard him so much as raise his voice.
And yeah, you can get unexpected cultural imprints if raised or taught by someone of a different demographic than yourself.
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One of the other 'donor' parts for this idea, besides your comment...I was watching a show, and this episode is set up as a love story. Post apocalyptic stting, maybe the last people on earth, very affectionate and into each other.
When a (platonic) male friend of the women's comes along looking for her, the boyfriend panics, clunks Platonic Friend upside the head and locks him in the shed, because he's (understandably, due to social isolation) afraid PF will take Girlfriend away.
She finds out, and is not happy, but BF could salvage it, by baking off, apologizing for panicking and reaffirming her (and friend's agency).
Instead, he offers to apologize, but tries to make her stay (first by promises then by 'restrain and talk at').
That is the exact moment where she goes from still invested to 'chew my leg out of this trap.'
That moment was somehow ... worse? more impactful? to me than the civilization collapse, the apocalyptic crazies, the government conspiracies, all the other horrible things that main characters have done up until that point...because it was so real. And BF (who was genuinely nice and sympathetic up until then) would never have understood that, hmmm...lynchpin nature of that one bad choice.
But I think most women will understand that moment, and why Boyfriend in that one instance does from being Boyfriend to blank-faced Dangerous Man, and the choice Girlfriend makes to deal with it.
The third donor concept was an anime that symbolizes depression by f-ing out the faces of the main character to symbolize the disconnectedness he feels due to depression...and drops the Xs whenever he is making a genuine connection with someone.
If you go to the vidder's AO3 page they list all the fandoms used, and there is a file you can download as well that listed all the characters https://archiveofourown.org/works/14716766
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Date: 2022-07-18 02:09 am (UTC)Indeed awesome!
Although I wish they'd cited sources because I wanna watch some of the ones I didn't recognise!
Yes ...
Date: 2022-07-18 04:37 am (UTC)One of the easier ways to sell me a movie is have a cast where each person is a different race, or at least duplicates are male/female. Because if they're the same race, especially if they're also similar in other ways, I have a hard time telling characters apart. A diverse cast list makes this much easier.
Re: Yes ...
Date: 2022-07-18 05:14 pm (UTC)What if someone did a comic, cartoon, etc where all the majority people (whotefolk, men, cops) weren't drawn with faces, as a sort of illustration of the whole difficulty of determining safe person vs dangerous person?
They could also do it so that priviliged allies get their faces drawn in once the viewpoint character seems them 'safe'...and the faces blink out again when [not if, when] the ally does something threatening.
Re: Yes ...
Date: 2022-07-19 10:58 am (UTC)That sounds awesome. It'd work in Terramagne if you want to prompt for it. Newspaper comic strips are still very popular there.
>> They could also do it so that priviliged allies get their faces drawn in once the viewpoint character seems them 'safe'...<<
Okay ...
>> and the faces blink out again when [not if, when] the ally does something threatening.<<
I would say if. Not everyone will make the same kind of mistake. Some people are just plain too mousy to be threatening. Others may look white but culturally are something else, so they don't act white. Think about Shiv, who sounds and acts far more black than white; or Boss Blaster, who looks white, is actually Hispanic by heritage, and grew up culturally mixed-to-black.
Re: Yes ...
Date: 2022-07-19 06:11 pm (UTC)Fair enough.
My default is still to expect that sort of stuff from people more priviliged than I, and be pleasantly suprised if it doesn't happen.
>>Some people are just plain too mousy to be threatening.<<
Intersection of privilige might make a physically unimposing person terrifying based on actions, words, or social context. Not always, but it can happen.
>>Others may look white but culturally are something else, so they don't act white. Think about Shiv, who sounds and acts far more black than white; or Boss Blaster, who looks white, is actually Hispanic by heritage, and grew up culturally mixed-to-black.<<
Gender instead of race, but I think I know a guy in RL who is like this. He's a very chill househusband, is excellent at emotional labor, and I don't think I've ever heard him so much as raise his voice.
And yeah, you can get unexpected cultural imprints if raised or taught by someone of a different demographic than yourself.
- - -
One of the other 'donor' parts for this idea, besides your comment...I was watching a show, and this episode is set up as a love story. Post apocalyptic stting, maybe the last people on earth, very affectionate and into each other.
When a (platonic) male friend of the women's comes along looking for her, the boyfriend panics, clunks Platonic Friend upside the head and locks him in the shed, because he's (understandably, due to social isolation) afraid PF will take Girlfriend away.
She finds out, and is not happy, but BF could salvage it, by baking off, apologizing for panicking and reaffirming her (and friend's agency).
Instead, he offers to apologize, but tries to make her stay (first by promises then by 'restrain and talk at').
That is the exact moment where she goes from still invested to 'chew my leg out of this trap.'
That moment was somehow ... worse? more impactful? to me than the civilization collapse, the apocalyptic crazies, the government conspiracies, all the other horrible things that main characters have done up until that point...because it was so real. And BF (who was genuinely nice and sympathetic up until then) would never have understood that, hmmm...lynchpin nature of that one bad choice.
But I think most women will understand that moment, and why Boyfriend in that one instance does from being Boyfriend to blank-faced Dangerous Man, and the choice Girlfriend makes to deal with it.
The third donor concept was an anime that symbolizes depression by f-ing out the faces of the main character to symbolize the disconnectedness he feels due to depression...and drops the Xs whenever he is making a genuine connection with someone.
Re: Yes ...
Date: 2022-07-19 07:51 pm (UTC)My spellcheck is being helpy again.
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Date: 2022-07-18 09:00 am (UTC)Thank you!
Date: 2022-07-18 09:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-07-18 11:53 am (UTC)Thank you, I hadn't noticed that.