This is true, and will be addressed in subsequent poems along with stories by dialecticdreamer. No handwaving a major conflict.
>> Shiv *chose* to leave them alive. Having that decision overturned by other people is *not* good.<<
Hence the messy moral injury.
>> The Family has its reasons for its rules, <<
That is true, and they are valid reasons -- in their own context. It was the chance of context that screwed them. So now it's a solution-caused problem.
>> but in this case they fucked up big time. <<
They really did.
>> As Elizabeth is no doubt explaining in *painful* detail. <<
She's very good at dissection. By the time she's finished, Leo will be wishing that she'd only strapped him. The verbal approach is much, much more painful and can't be soothed with a pint or so of numbing gel.
>> On a different level, attacking Shiv is very bad for your health. <<
Not to mention that even a successful kidnapping of Edison would be Darwin Award territory, because the kid has no brakes yet. A week or two later, some part of China would've been on fire and the bad guys running out with toasters eating their heads or something. O_O
The Marionettes actually know this. They cannot afford to let anyone get away with kidnapping superkids. From a Mob perspective, ruthless retaliation works. China's been burned bad enough to leave the Finns the fuck alone now. But when you mix in people who aren't part of that culture, then it gets a lot more complicated.
>> Like I said, they were alive because he felt killing them was an over-reaction <<
Yep.
>> (also, I'd not be surprised if there was an element of wanting them to *hurt* for what they were trying to do) <<
Nailed it! :D Shiv has sadly extensive experience of what injuries and consequences are like. Broken ribs mean weeks or months of abject misery, depending on severity. Every breath hurts, every cough or sneeze or laugh is worse. Furthermore, had they survived, Shiv would have eventually sidled around to the Finns ...
Shiv: "So, those guys, they'll get therapy in prison, right? Lots and lots of therapy?"
Dr. G: "I imagine so. They certainly need it."
Shiv: "Cause I was thinking, you probably know some guys."
Dr. G: "You're thinking of this as torture, aren't you?"
Shiv: "Mayyybe..."
Dr. G: "Well, let's look at my files. We can figure out which providers will be most useful and least enjoyable to the perpetrators, and then I'll make some calls."
Think about the kind of guys who make a living from kidnapping superkids and such. A relatively quick clean death is much less torment for them, compared to spending decades getting turned inside out by leading experts in criminal psychiatry.
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dancing_serpent
Yes ...
Date: 2020-10-28 12:23 am (UTC)Sadly so.
>> Mostly culture clash. <<
This is true, and will be addressed in subsequent poems along with stories by
>> Shiv *chose* to leave them alive. Having that decision overturned by other people is *not* good.<<
Hence the messy moral injury.
>> The Family has its reasons for its rules, <<
That is true, and they are valid reasons -- in their own context. It was the chance of context that screwed them. So now it's a solution-caused problem.
>> but in this case they fucked up big time. <<
They really did.
>> As Elizabeth is no doubt explaining in *painful* detail. <<
She's very good at dissection. By the time she's finished, Leo will be wishing that she'd only strapped him. The verbal approach is much, much more painful and can't be soothed with a pint or so of numbing gel.
>> On a different level, attacking Shiv is very bad for your health. <<
No shit.
>> Attacking someone he's *responsible* for.... <<
Survey says: Darwin Award.
Not to mention that even a successful kidnapping of Edison would be Darwin Award territory, because the kid has no brakes yet. A week or two later, some part of China would've been on fire and the bad guys running out with toasters eating their heads or something. O_O
The Marionettes actually know this. They cannot afford to let anyone get away with kidnapping superkids. From a Mob perspective, ruthless retaliation works. China's been burned bad enough to leave the Finns the fuck alone now. But when you mix in people who aren't part of that culture, then it gets a lot more complicated.
>> Like I said, they were alive because he felt killing them was an over-reaction <<
Yep.
>> (also, I'd not be surprised if there was an element of wanting them to *hurt* for what they were trying to do) <<
Nailed it! :D Shiv has sadly extensive experience of what injuries and consequences are like. Broken ribs mean weeks or months of abject misery, depending on severity. Every breath hurts, every cough or sneeze or laugh is worse. Furthermore, had they survived, Shiv would have eventually sidled around to the Finns ...
Shiv: "So, those guys, they'll get therapy in prison, right? Lots and lots of therapy?"
Dr. G: "I imagine so. They certainly need it."
Shiv: "Cause I was thinking, you probably know some guys."
Dr. G: "You're thinking of this as torture, aren't you?"
Shiv: "Mayyybe..."
Dr. G: "Well, let's look at my files. We can figure out which providers will be most useful and least enjoyable to the perpetrators, and then I'll make some calls."
Think about the kind of guys who make a living from kidnapping superkids and such. A relatively quick clean death is much less torment for them, compared to spending decades getting turned inside out by leading experts in criminal psychiatry.