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 This is what I mean when I say that once data is put in electronic form, and especially connected to the internet in any way, it is no longer secure.  It is merely more or less convenient to steal.  The very act of conglomerating large amounts of data makes it an irresistible target, and with scads of people trying to steal it, some will always succeed.

The best way to prevent that is not to create the target in the first place.  Scattered data is too much work to gather enough to have any value.  So for instance, instead of piling up medical records like a giant pile of treasure just waiting for a pirate, disperse each to its owner.  

Another option, especially for sensitive data, is Secure On Paper Only.  In fact, ribbon typewriters are reviving because they cannot be hacked.

So when you see a data breach, think of it as a sign that people can't be arsed to protect the information.  There are ways.  But the ways take more work, so people prefer to make targets and just hope they don't get hit.

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Date: 2020-01-21 12:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Until someone works out how to read the ribbon strikes..........

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Date: 2020-01-21 01:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Someone's probably already uploaded that how-to, I expect.

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Date: 2020-01-24 04:23 am (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Default)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
There's already software that calculates what you're typing by using positional audio from a microphone (the known demo does it using a laptop's own mike). Imagine a bug installed inside the typewriter.

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Date: 2020-01-21 01:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewayne
Actually, for some levels of classification, typewriter ribbons were put in burn bags after use.

And then there was the incident where a contractor who was burning the burn bags was audited. They turned off the incinerator where the burn bags were tossed and waited for it to cool, then dug through the ashes. There, in the bottom: completely intact burn bags. They'd thrown in so many burn bags that they squeezed out all the oxygen and the bags couldn't burn!

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Date: 2020-01-21 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kengr
Alas, ribbon typewriters *are* hackable. Depending on the type of ribbon they use, some may be able to read everything you've type from the discarded ribbon. This was a serious concern for various businesses and government agencies.

It easiest with the higher end machines because to get better impressions, they use a plastic ribbon with a carbon film coating. This makes *beautiful documents, but the ribbons only go thru the machine *once*. So you can read everything clearly from the ribbon.

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Date: 2020-01-21 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
More people today wcan hack computers than typewriters (or human brains, I hope). Security is like vaccinations. Or dancing. Move just enough that they don't stomp your feet /this/ time.

Also, am I the only one to wonder if the hacker kept a copy of the information, for blackmail or to sell? Digital data is very Easy to copy...

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Date: 2020-01-22 05:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kengr
When it was first used, they just grabbed the used ribbons from the trash. Ditto for sheets of carbon paper (though those tended to be much harder to extract info from).

The carbon film ribbons should be easy to destroy in several ways. Burn them, dump them in a tank of solvent that will lift the "ink" from the plastic, dump them in a tank of solvent that dissolves the plastic, etc.

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Date: 2020-01-21 05:04 pm (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
The reports in the press are pretty sketchy; it sounds more like a ransomware attack than a data leak. (Ransomware works by encrypting your files, and you have to pay the attackers to get the key; the data doesn't actually leave your system, you just can't access it. Of course if you have good backups...)

This one's an actual leak, though it may have been caught before it was exploited: Report: Adult Site Leaks Extremely Sensitive Data of Cam Models. Reminds me that I ought to write that up.

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Date: 2020-01-22 03:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Seems to me that "scattered data is safer" can be applied to many things (money, kids, go-bag caches, information, investments...)

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Date: 2020-01-22 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That idea has potential. I will have to devote more thought to it...

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