>> Well, Tony does run roughshod over her life, so she shouldn't have to work another shift taking care of all the rough edges of her own life. She does not have the time to cook, clean, loss leader shop, repair etc. <<
That's a baseline perk and doesn't count for this purpose. I'm talking about Tony's habit of buying her designer dresses or things like that, or more typically, telling her to buy her own prezzies. (Tony doesn't know how to pick things out, unless he lucks into someone who likes what he does, such as Bruce with lab equipment.) There are several fleeting references to this in canon, and it doesn't seem like Tony's efforts to make up to Pepper in this regard are things she can actually parse as apologies. Some people do, others don't. I think it's like love languages. Tony doesn't know how to compensate for someone who doesn't speak his.
>> If he'd thought to put her name on a brass plate for some subsection of the art collection, that she'd have known was an apology. <<
Yes, that's true. If he'd known she cared that much about the art, he would've just left it to her. But he didn't realize that until too late, and now it's serious damage that can't be fixed easily.
>> Now, that's not to let her off the hook. Tony is bad at a lot of things and so is Pepper. <<
Hence the codependence.
>> But just as we do love him anyway, we should love Pepper, if not in the same way, since they aren't the same. <<
I do love Pepper. I sympathize with her, really, because I've been in the position of doing years of work to help someone compensate for something ... and then a new person swans in and teaches a different technique that works so much better, and it's just frustrating as hell. But it's usually not possible to work that trick without someone having laid the groundwork first.
>> Maybe she can read that 'so you have stuff that's too sensitive to spout on a couch bringing you down, this book won't give you just enough rope to burn you' guide to self-healing now that she's only running SI and not also Tony. <<
That's possible. I am keeping an eye out for how their relationship will change, and Pepper's response to the other Avengers supporting Tony in new ways. I suspect she may be jealous at first, but ultimately, she has Tony's best interests at heart.
>> Winston:This is the Ginger Rogers' award of cat herding. <<
Nailed it.
>> Right, but he can't field Fantastic Four or Xavier's team, he requests assistance. <<
That's true.
>> (I'm still an utter sucker for reused actor meta fun. aka, acting tricks brought to the written word, because Johnny and Steve would be serious whiplash chops. <<
*laugh* I think that Pepper and Sue Storm would love each other, and have a lot in common, because Tony and Johnny are so much alike.
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Re: Yes...
Date: 2013-12-26 11:55 pm (UTC)That's a baseline perk and doesn't count for this purpose. I'm talking about Tony's habit of buying her designer dresses or things like that, or more typically, telling her to buy her own prezzies. (Tony doesn't know how to pick things out, unless he lucks into someone who likes what he does, such as Bruce with lab equipment.) There are several fleeting references to this in canon, and it doesn't seem like Tony's efforts to make up to Pepper in this regard are things she can actually parse as apologies. Some people do, others don't. I think it's like love languages. Tony doesn't know how to compensate for someone who doesn't speak his.
>> If he'd thought to put her name on a brass plate for some subsection of the art collection, that she'd have known was an apology. <<
Yes, that's true. If he'd known she cared that much about the art, he would've just left it to her. But he didn't realize that until too late, and now it's serious damage that can't be fixed easily.
>> Now, that's not to let her off the hook. Tony is bad at a lot of things and so is Pepper. <<
Hence the codependence.
>> But just as we do love him anyway, we should love Pepper, if not in the same way, since they aren't the same. <<
I do love Pepper. I sympathize with her, really, because I've been in the position of doing years of work to help someone compensate for something ... and then a new person swans in and teaches a different technique that works so much better, and it's just frustrating as hell. But it's usually not possible to work that trick without someone having laid the groundwork first.
>> Maybe she can read that 'so you have stuff that's too sensitive to spout on a couch bringing you down, this book won't give you just enough rope to burn you' guide to self-healing now that she's only running SI and not also Tony. <<
That's possible. I am keeping an eye out for how their relationship will change, and Pepper's response to the other Avengers supporting Tony in new ways. I suspect she may be jealous at first, but ultimately, she has Tony's best interests at heart.
>> Winston:This is the Ginger Rogers' award of cat herding. <<
Nailed it.
>> Right, but he can't field Fantastic Four or Xavier's team, he requests assistance. <<
That's true.
>> (I'm still an utter sucker for reused actor meta fun. aka, acting tricks brought to the written word, because Johnny and Steve would be serious whiplash chops. <<
*laugh* I think that Pepper and Sue Storm would love each other, and have a lot in common, because Tony and Johnny are so much alike.