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Poem: "The Democratic Armada of the Caribbean"

This poem came out of the July 2, 2024 Poetry Fishbowl. It was inspired by prompts from [personal profile] siliconshaman and [personal profile] see_also_friend. It also fills the "Spirit Island" square in my 7-1-24 card for the Games and Entertainment Bingo fest. This poem has been sponsored by a pool with [personal profile] fuzzyred. It belongs to the series Peculiar Obligations.


"The Democratic Armada of the Caribbean"

[1600s]

Not long after the Europeans
arrived in the New World,
the pirates followed them.

In the 1500s, pirate havens
began to spring up all around
the islands of the Caribbean Sea.

San Juan, Puerto Rico was
among the first, and key in
smuggling throughout the area.

Portsmouth, Dominica became
a major port of call for the Spanish
and the English, which also made
the town into a prime hub for piracy.

By the 1600s, more had emerged.

Santa Isabel Village located on
Isla de Provedencia was one.

Some even appeared on
the Spanish Main, including
Xcalak and Portobelo.

In 1636, the Caribs drove
the European invaders
from their island Matinino.

After that, they preferred
to trade with the pirates.

Port Morgan, Île-à-Vache
near Hispaniola as well as
Tap House on St. Thomas
began to gain more traffic.

To the north, two towns in
Rhode Island grew popular with
pirates, Providence and Newport.

Tortuga Village on Tortuga Island,
part of the larger Hispaniola, was
the most famous for many years,
despite all of the giant turtles.

It was a golden age for pirates.

Then something interesting happened.

The Religious Society of Friends, who
were pacifists of all rare things, started
reaching out to the pirates in ports.

A few even started to take ship,
speaking of peace, and because
they were skilled at negotiation,
the Friends were ... tolerated.

The founder, George Fox,
annoyed a lot of stuffy people.

Pirates found that amusing,
and the Friends entertaining,
if more than a bit perplexing.

In the 1650s, female Friends
connected with female pirates,
teaming up to advance the rights
of women on an even wider scale.

The female pirates started to provide
escape routes for abused women
in general, frustrating men in power.

Bermuda had been stewing for a while,
and unrest finally erupted into revolt
in 1656 that made it a free pirate island.

Another great pirate haven arose in
Port Royal, Jamaica as people built
taverns, whorehouses, trading posts,
and other maritime attractions.

George Fox began to express
his doubts about slavery.

The pirates listened with
half an ear, because on
the one hand, freedom was
vital to their way of life, but
on the other hand, they were
mostly motivated by money.

The Friends were always
getting into trouble, though,
and pirates appreciated that.

In 1660, female pirates rescued
Mary Dyer from intended execution
and hauled her to the Caribbean
to prevent her from returning
to danger in New England.

It took her well over a year
to forgive them for uprooting her.

More pirate havens emerged as
foreign ships harassed older ones,
like Petit Goâve on Saint Domingue.

The British attempted to take control
of the Cayman Islands in 1670, which
ended with their official establishment
as free pirate islands -- and a lot of
British sailors getting fed to the basks
of truly enormous crocodiles that swam
around the beaches and the rivers
of the islands named for them.

Several Friends, including
William Edmundson and
George Fox, visited Barbados.

When they argued for treating
slaves humanely, the owners
became outraged and drove
the Friends off the island.

The pirates just laughed;
teasing the rich never got old.

Later they found out that George
published his Barbados sermons
in a little book that again urged
people to treat their slaves better.

Someone got hold of a copy
and passed it around the taverns,
spawning all manner of jokes.

A few years after those incidents,
Friend Alice Curwen traveled to
Barbados and pestered one of
the locals, Friend Martha Tavernor,
to release the slaves she owned.

It wasn't quite the catfight that
the pirates typically bet on,
but they bet on it anyway.

Eventually Alice won,
and her allies collected
their bets, and nobody
thought too much of it yet.

In 1683, William Penn
created a new colony
called Pennsylvania,
aimed at fostering love
and a spirit of brotherhood.

He insisted that the settlers pay
Indians a fair price for native land,
treat natives with dignity, and
respect their various cultures.

William even tried to enact
legislation against slavery.

The pirates just chuckled
about it over their rum.

Well, this ought
to get ... interesting.

By the 1690s, some of
the pirates ventured out
on long-distance voyages
from the Americas to raid
East India Company targets
in the Indian Ocean and Red Sea.

The island of Bermuda shifted
its economy to maritime business
and incorporated many former slaves
as blacksmiths, masons, carpenters,
coopers, shipwrights, and sailors.

Then in 1692, disaster struck:
an earthquake and a great wave
severely damaged Port Royal.

Pirates and Friends alike
flocked to Jamaica and
rendered aid to survivors.

They quickly rebuilt the town
on safer ground, leaving only
the docks at sea level, and
renamed it Port Liberty.

Some pirates still shifted
their routes to Nassau on
New Providence Island in
the Bahamas, which was well
placed and hadn't been flattened.

On October 23, 1696 the Friends
in Philadelphia ruled against bringing
in any new slaves, and urged those
who still owned slaves to treat them
well and to take them to Meetings.

By this point the pirates were
used to it, because their crews
were mostly mixed and if you had
Friends then you also had Meetings,
because any two or three of them
would stick together like burrs.

The Delaware River had
long been favored for piracy
because of the heavy trade
that ran up and down it.

In 1699, the Friends and
the Pennsylvania Assembly
negotiated with the river pirates,
giving them Tinicum Island as
well as Tinicum Township, with
the understanding that they could
trade in the state and its towns
but could no longer raid in either.

However, the pirates remained free
to attack any enemies of Pennsylvania.

Everyone was very happy with this deal.


[1700s]

Pirate havens continued to emerge,
with Tylerton on Smith Island off
the shore of Virginia, and Eden on
Ocracoke Island off the shore
of North Carolina which had
a sympathetic governor.

In 1701, the War of
the Spanish Succession
broke out, with France and
Great Britain joining the fray.

This offered plentiful opportunities
for privateers to make a profit.

The Pennsylvania Assembly
passed an Act to prevent
the importation of slaves
in 1713, but they had
a hard time enforcing it.

That still marked a step
toward the end of slavery.

After the Spanish Succession
concluded in 1714, many of
the sailors and privateers
were left unemployed.

Some of these turned
to piracy in the Caribbean
and the eastern seaboard
of North America, others
to the Indian Ocean and
the West African coast.

It made for some unrest,
because they were new to
the area and didn't know
all the local customs yet.

So local pirates took to flying
a black flag with a white dove
if they had a Friend in the crew,
and they taught the newcomers
that you could haul alongside
such a ship and ask for help if
you needed a negotiator or doctor.

Ships with a Friend for a captain
flew a white flag with a white dove
on a red-and-black 8-pointed star,
with similar offers of assistance.

In 1715, another antislavery tract
made the rounds of the Caribbean,
this one with a long list of reasons
why it was such a terrible idea.

In Jamaica, the Maroon War
made it a free pirate island in 1730,
and people banned slavery there.

It became a haven, not just
for raiders of all sorts, but
also for freedmen and
for runaway slaves.

In 1733, a publisher in
Rhode Island released
a testimony on slavery, and
this one circulated widely as
one of the notable conjunctions
between Friends and pirates
on the topic of abolition.

The pirates, who had
been drifting more toward
freedom over money, grew
more convinced that slaving
wasn't any way to make a living.

On November 23 of the same year,
Saint John became a free pirate island.
From there the rebellion spread to
the rest of the Danish West Indies.

Saint Thomas followed suit in
1734. Fighting in Saint Croix,
the largest island, continued
until it broke free in late 1736.

In April 1756, a group of Friends
from Philadelphia established
the Friendly Association for
Regaining and Preserving
Peace with the Indians by
Pacific Measures. They
used trade and health care
to cement alliances with tribes.

Louisiana became more and
more friendly to pirates, with
Saint Malo in St. Bernard Parish
becoming a haven for them.

The Carib War made Saint Vincent
into a free pirate island in 1773.

Then slaves in Tobago revolted,
freeing it in 1770, followed by
Trinidad where a long bloody war
left it free in the summer of 1774.

On April 19, 1775, years of
rising discontent in the colonies
boiled over into open war with
the battles of Lexington and
Concord, Massachusetts.

These marked the start of
the American Revolutionary War.

The American Continental Congress
ratified the Declaration of Independence
on July 4, 1776 but only included some of
the antislavery passages from earlier drafts,
and quite a bit from the Custom of the Coast.

On July 15, 1776 the Congress struck a deal
with a large group of pirates and privateers,
the Democratic Armada of the Caribbean.

They agreed to recognize each other
as nations and to work together as
allies against hostile European forces.

The Americans offered control
of Rhode Island to the Armada,
along with support of its claims
to various other locations, in
exchange for military support.

The Armada was happy to secure
Rhode Island and delighted to attack
every British vessel they could find.

A key feature of the Armada, however,
was that they based their identity on
ships as much as on pieces of land.

On July 8, 1777 the Vermont Republic
became the first state to outlaw slavery.

Then on March 1, 1780 Pennsylvania
passed an act for gradual abolition.

In 1781, the slave ship Zong ran
into trouble, and the crew debated
throwing its human cargo overboard.

Then the pirate ship Black Guillemot
discovered the slave ship and boarded
her, staging the Zong Rescue, in which
they freed all of the African captives.

Luke Collingwood and most of his crew
were either killed on board or thrown
overboard, by pirates or freed Africans.

A majority of the 132 Africans became pirates.

Due in large part to excellent alliances with
the Democratic Armada of the Caribbean
and several Native American tribes,
the Revolutionary War came to
an end on September 3, 1781.

In January of 1791, the island of
Dominica became a free pirate island
and thus outlawed slavery there.

A few months later, Spirit Island,
between Dominica and Martinique,
was set aside for the Carib People.

Pirates being a superstitious bunch,
they just didn't want to mess with it.

Also the island of Hispaniola, previously
divided as French Saint-Domingue and
Spanish Santo Domingo, became
a free pirate island, took the name
of Haiti, and banned slavery.

On February 1, 1793 France
and Great Britain went to war.

Privateers all over the Caribbean
rushed to seek Letters of Marque.

By 1795, the society of pirates
had gained considerable momentum,
with smaller groups joining the Armada
and more islands throwing off overlords.

In that year alone, Grenada, Saint Lucia,
and Curaçao all became free pirate islands
and banned slavery in their holdings.


[1800s]

In 1800, it became
a disownable offense
for Friends to own slaves
anywhere, even down in
the southern slave states.

Friends in those states who
owned slaves were obligated
to move somewhere else that
emancipating slaves was legal.

Some simply took up with pirates,
who generally favored freedom
and whose ships and crews
included many former slaves.

Louisiana became more of
a pirate haven with places such
as Manila Village in Barataria Bay.

The Friends had some successes in
sustaining fair treatment of tribal people.
These alliances helped the growing nation
develop good practices and withstand
pressures from foreign countries.

In 1803, attempts to enslave
free passengers of color from
ships docking in Cuba sparked
a rebellion that ended with Cuba
becoming a free pirate island in 1804.

A population of Taino, who had previously
escaped European invaders and hidden
in the mountains or settled elsewhere,
reappeared and became more willing
to trade with the current residents of
Cuba and the pirates who visited there.

In April of 1816, Bussa's Rebellion
made Barbados a free pirate island,
and they banned slavery there.

Then in 1821, Marcos Xiorro
led a great slave revolt against
the sugar plantation owners and
the Spanish Colonial government.

As a result, Puerto Rico became
a free pirate island, outlawing slavery.

During the 1840s to 1850s, Friends
hired freedom seekers and free blacks
to work on their farms and build cabins.

They encouraged black families
to send their children to school
and participate in community life.

Many of these families prospered
and in time bought their own land.

One such cluster of cabins, which
developed on property owned
by Friend James E. Bonine,
turned into Ramptown.

Eventually that became
a key black owned and
operated town, including
Friends among its residents
as well as closest neighbors.

Ramptown sent out missionaries
to teach other people, particularly
in the Caribbean, how to get along
and establish a healthy municipality.
This improved life and society there.

On April 12, 1861 the American Civil War
broke out over slavery, state rights, and
a bunch of other arguments that people
just couldn't seem to work through.

Then on April 29, 1861 the Union
met with the Democratic Armada
of the Caribbean and made a deal.

They offered the Armada control
of Florida and Louisiana along
with some coastal islands such as
Smith Island off the coast of Virginia
and Ocracoke Island off the shore
of North Carolina, which the nations
had previously been sharing and
sometimes bickering about.

In exchange, the Armada
blockaded the Gulf of Mexico
so that neither merchant nor
military vessels could easily
aid the Confederate States.

At this time, the Armada
also voted to ban slavery
throughout their territory,
rather than individually on
some ships and islands.

Similarly, female pirates
insisted on certain rights
for women of all stations.

On September 22, 1862
President Abraham Lincoln
issued new legislation, and
the Emancipation Proclamation
took effect immediately, freeing
all slaves held within America.

During the American Civil War,
the Bahamas followed by the Turks
and Caicos Islands became members in
the Democratic Armada of the Caribbean.

By this point, most of the islands had
shaken off European control and
taken charge of their own fate.

Despite having developed from
brigands and buccaneers, they
had learned enough skills from
the Friends to create societies
that were stable, comfortable
to live in, and most importantly
not based on enslaving anyone.

In May of 1863, the Civil War ended,
largely due to support from the Armada
which generally opposed slavery.

The Thirteenth Amendment to
the Constitution of the United States
was proposed on January 31, 1864.

It prohibited slavery and included
references to the penitentiary practices
by the Religious Society of Friends, so it
also forbade forced labor without pay.

Instead, prison wages must be saved
for payment upon release, giving
former inmates a temporary means
of support such that they could
secure a home and a legal job.

The Thirteenth Amendment was
ratified on December 6, 1864.

In the late 1800s, pirates
established a new haven
in Galveston town on
the island of Galveston
just off the Texas Shore.

The western states were
developing gradually, and
everyone wanted access
for trade or smuggling.

Texas just grumbled and
let them have it, lacking
the resources to dispute
possession so soon after
the South lost the Civil War.

Europe wasn't any happier,
but by then it was clear that
the pirates of the Caribbean
weren't going anywhere.

The Democratic Armada of
the Caribbean was just too
powerful and appealing for it
to fade away into the waves.

The United States and
the Armada enjoyed
a close if sometimes ...
peppery relationship.

At the turn of the century,
it looked like smooth sailing.

* * *

Notes:

This poem is long, so its map and content notes appear separately.

[personal profile] acelightning73 2024-12-23 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
There was a story about a Quaker who was traveling on a pirate ship, and a ship of the British Navy attacked. He was standing on the deck when a sailor climbed over the rail, with his cutlass in his teeth, and threatened the Quaker. The Quaker thought of a non-violent way to evade his fate. He picked up the sailor in a bear hug and dropped him over the side, saying, "Thou hast no business here, my friend!" (in those days, sailors rarely knew how to swim).

It's very good to know this particular bit of history, because what most Americans know about pirates is extremely incorrect.

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[personal profile] acelightning73 2024-12-23 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently if it doesn't involving phyiscal hitting or use of a weapon, it's "non-violent" But the current Quaker policy you describe makes perfect sense to me. But the original story does emphasize how he didn't punch the attacker or take his cutlass away. Just put him off the ship, because "he has no place here".

We need more Quakers.

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2024-12-25 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Generally yes, though agressive-attack languague is usually frowned upon as well.

But there are biases in the perception of what 'counts.' If you look at the Mary Dyer poem, that presents an example of pirate-Friends backstopping someone who is doing something that today would generally be considered passively self-violent but at the time was considered heroic.

(And even today, the behavior might be framed asa mental health issue, rather than a violence issue, though both can be true at the same time.)

Even in modern times stuff like activist burnout is a problem for a lot of otherwise- compassionate people.

I find it /really/ interesting that on P-Earth, Quakers backstop allies from being overly aggressive to other people while the pirate-Friends backstop the Quakers from some risky-to-self behaviors.

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[personal profile] acelightning73 2024-12-23 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
ANd I assume that when Quakers work with dangerous machinery (farming things like tractors and hay balers) they get taught first aid for serious trauma.

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2024-12-25 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
On P-Earth, most likely, since (a) they're routinely spending time with (and patching up) more aggressive allies, (b) they're usually the designated medic/calming presence in a mixed group, and (c) teaching people (and especially students/mentees) how to fix problems (reasonably and age-appropriate) is consistent with childrearing practices.

On L-Earth, I dunno. My first aid training is something I picked up myself, but there's multiple reasons to learn that in addition to religious-cultural reasons.

I do remember a story about an activist stunt where "If the security guard has a heart attack after we barricade the door, do we unblock the door (and give up on the activism stunt)?" was considered during planning. The group might not have been entirely Quaker, but probbably would have included a few - I think the story was in Philadelphia?

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[personal profile] acelightning73 2024-12-27 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I have tried to learn as many skills as I possibly can, all my life. You never can tell when you might have someone show up on your doorstep with a raw duck in a plastic bag and say, "I don't know how to cook this - please cook it for me." (My mother in law did this once. She carried the raw duck across the Bronx on the bus.)
You might need to know how to sew a button back onto your coat. Or how to change a flat tire. I agree with Robert Heinlein's "A competent human ought to be able to do the following things:" It includes delivering a baby, cooking a tasty meal, and many other things. I tried to learn all of them, but it also includes shoot at a target and hit it, and I'm a terrible shot because I've been nearsighted all my life.

I taught myself various forms of first aid (there have been case where a toddler delivered their own baby sibling when Mom passed out, with some coaching from the 911 operator on the phone. The kid had been taught to dial 911 in any kind of emergency.

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2024-12-25 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe he tossed the guy a rope rather than chucking anyone else overboard?

For what it's worth, if I were going to shove a shouty person in a pool or lake, I'd probbably want to check if they could swim, and possibly ask about valuables (such as cell phones). I suspect that asking about either of those things would probably be unexpecter/distracting enough to derail the shoutiness a bit...

Re: swimming and sailors, I thought the no swimming thing was deliberate, so people wouldn't linger a long time if there was no hope of rescue.

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2024-12-26 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
For the rams, I tend to imagine two specific traits for them, which distinguish them from Quakers in general:

1) They can and do choose to spend time in violent areas and with violent people, often in the violent folks own home ground. Sometimes this does mean enabling violence (as with a combat medic).

They'd probably have some ethical standard for involvement, too. The pirate slaver who is in it for the money will have trouble getting a willing medic, while someone who has a mixed-gender crew and anti-rape rules in their shipboard constitution might* be able to find one by networking.

*Depending on a few temporal and statistical quirks - finding willing medics will be easier later on as the numbers increase and the customs get better at facilitating mixed groups.

2) They are willing to use force (including physical force) to prevent violence and harm. But force is different from violence.

For this I'm drawing on a record from a mental hospital during WWII, where the pacifist orderlies would sometimes have to restrain violent patients and felt a bit weird/guilty about it. Except, the patient would often come up and thank them the day after, because a) the restraints kept them from doing stuff they'd regret while they weren't in control of themselves, and b) they could tell the restraining was compassionate, not cruel or patronizing.

>>Huh, I'd never heard that explanation.<<

I dont remember where I'd picked it up, beyond the fact that I probably read it somewhere.

Now I'm wondering how likely people were to know how to swim in history - and also where the enlistees for ships came from. If they were inlanders, it makes sense they couldn't swim!

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2024-12-25 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't heard that one. Though I /have/ heard one about the Quaker and the burglar, with the punchline being "Friend, I would not harm the for the world, but thee stands where I am about to shoot."

If taken literally, that one's not very peaceful either.

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2025-02-19 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
My personal interpretation of "Friend, I would not harm the for the world, but thee stands where I am about to shoot," is that you're going to do what you're going to do, and while other people can do whatever they like, you're still going to do what you have to even if it means unpleasant consequences like disrupting lives, society, or reality tunnels (but, still fair warning to warn someone first). Think "Friend, I would not damage your property for all the world, but the has parked where I will need to park my firetruck."

If using it for a ram-Quaker, I'd suggest not using a literal gun though. Physically moving, restraining, or tackling, or tossing someone overboard might work, depending on the level of problem the Quaker is trying to solve.

I'd suggest saving tacking for something like trying to separate the person from a friend or patient/kids/persons-in-their-care, especially in a dangerous solution.

Physically moving might come up in more relaxed situations though - like an armed buddy trying to prevent you from treating prisoners, when you don't have time for a long discussion. (Think Elizabeth Fry and the prison guard, if they'd been buddies and he'd thought to push the issue 'for her own good'.)

...and I /could see trying to combine a restraint/Cooldown Hug, /if/ someone is having some sort of freakout. (With the usual note about needing consent, unless someone is in immediate danger.)

Also, re: tossing people overboard... when were the first flotation devices invented? Flotation devices made of animal organs would likely be cheapest/safest, but glass or wood might also be options. Admittedly more expensive, and also a bad idea if someone gets conked on the head...but floating wooden panels that can be manually loosened from a a sinking ship might be helpful. And there's probably a way to make clothing designed to be used as a flotation device, though until the invention of lifejackets, folks would still need to be conscious and briefly able to float to use those.

Also, tangentially related, I finally figured out what the new guy in the most recent poem was up to, ettiquite-wise.
:)

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2025-02-19 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I think I found a typo. I think...

At this time, the Armada
also voted to ban slavery
throughout their territory,
rather individually on
some ships and islands.

...should be...

At this time, the Armada
also voted to ban slavery
throughout their territory,
rather *than* individually on
some ships and islands.
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[personal profile] crunchysteve 2025-01-27 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Love this!

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[personal profile] see_also_friend 2025-03-05 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
>>I love the quote, and it's supposed to come from a (presumably atypical) Quaker, so what kind would work if not a ram?<<

I think the spirit of it fits.

I'm just stuck on the idea of using a gun as a lethal weapon - and shooting at someone is /always/ potentially lethal.

And, while pacifists can and do sometimes kill in the real world, well... I've mentioned it before, but there's a tendency to... dunno, fetishize? cultures or groups that are marked as different. So then it's not a different, diverse, context-filled culture with sincere values, its a funny group of caricature people with quirks for people to gawk at.

And then some of those stories try to create drama by breaking the values, and while it probably /can/ be done respectfully, people usually don't have that level of skill or care. And the whole 'drama' thing feels kind of disrespectful. That whole 'its only funny if everyone is laughing together' thing.

Dunno how well I'm explaining this... I hope I am making sense.

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>>I'm doing my best to present a range of different Friends, from historic figures to fictional ones, across a wide timespan and in diverse contexts.<<

Good solution.

>>*ponder* We really don't have a "city Quaker" yet, the ones with more money and a fancier dress mode.>>
What about setting some stories in Philadelphia or London? Phili would be Quaker-dominant, and probably involve allied Native tribes, while 1600s London would be a more … prejudicial environment. But either would be a good place for a business or bank story in the 1600s.
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>>I'm doing my best to present a range of different Friends, from historic figures to fictional ones, across a wide timespan and in diverse contexts.<<

Good solution.

>>*ponder* We really don't have a "city Quaker" yet, the ones with more money and a fancier dress mode.>>
What about setting some stories in Philadelphia or London? Phili would be Quaker-dominant, and probably involve allied Native tribes, while 1600s London would be a more … prejudicial environment. But either would be a good place for a business or bank story in the 1600s.
<<Could sure use a banker! I mean somebody has to think up the money laundering as a nonviolent organized crime.<<

Unfortunately, most of the prompts I can think of would be in the 1700s or 1800s, and I don’t think the timeline is shored up enough yet. Here’s a list of L-Earth businesses to glance at, though : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Quaker_businesses,_organizations_and_charities

>>Point. I do tend to lay out the parameters and then actively search for exceptions to the rules.<<

I think you do a good job – and if you did goof on something, you’d be willing to listen or even try to fix it. I’ve just seen it done badly so often that I’m extra cautious.

>>We're going to have to deal with the pacifism issue and how different Friends interpret it, just because this setting mixes Quakers with organized crime (original prompt) and pirates (where it's trending).<<

For some reason, I find the mixing of 1600s pirates and the slang term ‘trending’ in the same sentence to be hilarious.

>>That means looking at the underlying principles,…<<

A lot of times, outsiders don’t look into underlying values of different cultures. Probably because it’s a lot of work!

But when interacting with – or writing – an other-group character it really helps with understanding.

>>…how individuals or Meetings interpret them, and the effects of context.<<

Like all human societies, we can be really fractal about values, customs, etc. Good for storytelling purposes, though!

>> Dunno how well I'm explaining this... I hope I am making sense. <<
>>You are. Maybe it'll work out, maybe not, but it's an interesting discussion and highly relative to this series, which is really about moral quandaries at the core.<<

In that case, something else to keep in mind will be that (in activism spaces, with Quakers and with life in general) it is important to try and have an idea of your moral framework /before/ dealing with a moral quandary.

For Quakers specifically, that’s one of the reasons our decisions tend to take awhile – we’re considering all angles.

You can probably easily find some resources on the activist side of things.

Anyway, I suspect that aspect will be incorporated into the symbiosis culture. At minimum, it is useful for helping people sort out where they are best suited on the hawk/dove spectrum. It will also probably be useful for advance troubleshooting of risky situations.

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