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ysabetwordsmith ([personal profile] ysabetwordsmith) wrote2014-05-30 04:25 am

Disabled Superheroes

Here's an interesting post about disabled superheroes with attention to combinations of disabilities and superpowers

One reason I think supports such combinations is that the acquisition of superpowers is often violent.  If you don't get some kind of regenerative ability, you are rather likely to sustain permanent damage: Dr. Laser has disfiguring scars.  Other times it may be transient but still really uncomfortable: Aquariana has hypersensitive skin so she can't wear clothes comfortably, which might or might not improve.  Certain causes that may be less violent can still have negative side effects: Koroleva is a supervillain whose powers probably came from radiation -- her parents were evacuated from Chernobyl -- and her right hand has fused fingers.

Another obvious reason is that superhero work is dangerous.  Soldiers, police, firefighters, etc. all work high-risk jobs and have a consequently high rate of retiring due to disability.  Cheersquad has Super-Speed but is mostly paralyzed now; he used to drive a zoom ambulance until someone crashed into it.  Then again, some people keep working despite disabilities.  Dr. Doohickey lost his legs and kept going.  Valor's Widow deals with monumental grief.

Factors can combine, too: Groundhog has Flight, but never uses it due to agoraphobia, acrophobia, and weak lungs.  It manifested when he was an infant, he went sailing up into the sky, and the altitude injured his lungs before anyone could get him down.  Then his parents kept him indoors while he was growing up.
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Disability and superheroes

[personal profile] dialecticdreamer 2014-05-30 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
-- It /really/ tends to follow the 'Daredevil' script, better than 'normal', not-really-a-disability, and it /PEEVES/ me to no end.

I mean, /honestly/, could you imagine the hue and cry if /all/ redheads were portrayed as psychic? No one, but no one would tolerate that, even if it were /always/ a positive portrayal.

And what if all blue-eyed people were portrayed as morally 'right' and perf-- (oh, wait... we did that for a long, long time... Sigh.)

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Re: Disability and superheroes

[personal profile] dialecticdreamer 2014-05-30 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
>> What really matters is diversity. If you have enough characters, and you make a point of spreading out the traits, then you can avoid the repetition problem. <<

Or, deliberately, closely mirror both advantages and disadvantages. For example, if I had someone with your Danso's ability to manipulate powers, I'd make them near the same age (15-18), but of a slightly different background, or maybe with a single supportive adult when everything else went to blazes, and then /deliberately tell/ the story of how they react differently to the same kinds of powers. Erik and Charles in Marvel, IF instead of being a WW2 camp survivor, oppressed Jewish person et cetera, et cetera, Erik had also been a wealthy boy who attended all the best schools and graduated Oxford the way others expect to go to the movies: as a matter of course so obvious it's barely worth mentioning.

Then, the writer can play off personality versus experience, social rejection versus personal integrity. I think it highlights those kinds of stories in more powerful, more intimate ways... but Marvel can't even get She-Hulk's movie a decent freaking writer, so don't expect those stories from mainstream comics for a long, long time.
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[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I'd like to see a superhero [or hera] who's power come about because of their disability.. not in a DareDevil sort of way, which is more a common origin, but more like: Well, for example, imagine a tetra-paraplegic with a powered exoskeleton controlled by brain/machine interface... now imagine she/he built that themselves and just kept tinkering with it. Add in a dash of super-science and give it tactical mounts for weapons... and boom, sort of ironman.

Or if you want to go down another route, given the sort of will-power that's needed to overcome disabilities and function in a world designed for able-bodied people, imagine that with even a touch of psi or magic! You ccould go a long way with a little of that and lot of stubborn.

My point being, I'm sick of seeing disabilities touted as handicaps to be overcome, or flaws to balance out superpowers. It takes a near-superhuman effort to adapt and move past being disabled into differently able [or so I'm told]... what if they just kept on going? What if, that is what makes them super?

What if they were just people who took the stick they'd just been handed the shitty end of, and used it to beat life with it?!

Well...

[identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
>> You know, I'd like to see a superhero [or hera] who's power come about because of their disability.. not in a DareDevil sort of way, which is more a common origin, but more like: Well, for example, imagine a tetra-paraplegic with a powered exoskeleton controlled by brain/machine interface... now imagine she/he built that themselves and just kept tinkering with it. Add in a dash of super-science and give it tactical mounts for weapons... and boom, sort of ironman. <<

This is very close to what happened to Dr. Doohickey. See "Dr. Doohickey and the Problem of Locomotion" and "Dr. Doohickey and the Mad Science Scrambler."

The mostly-paralyzed superhero I have is a speedster named Cheersquad. He hasn't shown up on camera yet but I'm watching.

>> Or if you want to go down another route, given the sort of will-power that's needed to overcome disabilities and function in a world designed for able-bodied people, imagine that with even a touch of psi or magic! You ccould go a long way with a little of that and lot of stubborn. <<

I haven't done that one yet. It's valid in Terramagne; aside from an innate talent manifesting in puberty, another really common path is that it grows in very slowly adjacent to the person's passion or career. Super-Intellect, Super-Gadgeteering, and Telepathy or Empathy are especially prone to that. So anything that makes the person exercise their willpower all the time could blossom into Super-Will. And you might not even realize that was a superpower until you tried to deny them necessary services and got your ass handed to you.

Okay, yeah, I think I could make this work without falling into the supercrip LaBrea. Feel free to prompt for it.
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Re: Well...

[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Wilco.. umm.. when would be the next opportunity?

Re: Well...

[identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Next Poetry Fishbowl is this coming Tuesday with a theme of "First Contact" (which may be interpreted classically or loosely). There should be a [livejournal.com profile] crowdfunding Creative Jam on the third weekend of June too.
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Re: Well...

[identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, I can work with that... I think... mind you, I've a few other idea along those lines as well. [An Army of One being an obvious choice.]
Edited 2014-05-30 22:11 (UTC)

Re: Well...

[identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*happydance*

Re: Well...

[identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com 2014-05-30 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Feel free to post whatever you think of! Sometimes I only have time to do one prompt per person. Other times it's dead slow and I like being able to double back for multiple prompts.

[identity profile] patina.livejournal.com 2014-05-31 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, what happened to Groundhog sounds awfully ironic. I'm going to have to read more of your heroes fiction.

Yes...

[identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com 2014-05-31 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
>> Hmm, what happened to Groundhog sounds awfully ironic. <<

In a way it's ironic. I have a few other characters who can't use their powers; frex, Cheersquad is a paralyzed speedster whose Super-Speed now only works for speed-reading and auctioneering. He used to drive a zoom ambulance until someone crashed into it.

What happened to Groundhog is an example of evolution getting ahead of itself. It doesn't have perfect aim. So as the percentage of superpowers in the population increases, it creates a pervasive problem: a majority of those with innate powers (rather than acquired by outside events) are born to ordinary parents. It is difficult or impossible for ordinary parents to meet the special needs of superkids. Sometimes that's fatal. Other times, as with Groundhog, it has crippling side effects. His parents honestly did the best they could for him, but like many parents of special needs children, some of their efforts went very wrong. I still give them credit for keeping him alive though.

>>I'm going to have to read more of your heroes fiction.<<

Polychrome Heroics has a series page.

Also, next Poetry Fishbowl is this Tuesday on a theme of "first contact." Feel free to come leave me prompts!

[identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com 2014-05-31 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know. If superheroes are common you're going to get super-scientists and super-mages and some of them are going to develop super-healing and then disabilities in general might be a thing of the past. Or a cosmetic thing where your replacement limbs look weird.

Well...

[identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com 2014-05-31 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
>> If superheroes are common <<

In Terramagne they are not common but are pretty well known. Many people with superpowers are "crickets" who hide what they can do. Others are "blue plate specials" who use their powers in ordinary jobs, not fighting supervillains. Then supervillains are the next-biggest group, and superheroes are the minority. The rate of superpowers appearing in the population is increasing.

>> you're going to get super-scientists and super-mages and some of them are going to develop super-healing <<

These things are all true ...

>> and then disabilities in general might be a thing of the past. <<

... but this is not. No matter how advanced your science or magic, there will always be some things it can't fix. Dr. Infanta talks about this in "Lifeyears."

Consider that superpowers create new disabilities as well as having the potential to fix old ones. Subwoofer's canine features create a terrible social handicap, and he got those (along with his superpower) from getting caught in supervillain/superhero crossfire.

>> Or a cosmetic thing where your replacement limbs look weird. <<

For an example of this, see "Dr. Doohickey and the Problem of Locomotion" and "Dr. Doohickey and the Mad Science Scrambler."