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ysabetwordsmith ([personal profile] ysabetwordsmith) wrote2022-01-04 12:41 pm

Poetry Fishbowl Open!

The Poetry Fishbowl is now CLOSED. Thank you for your time and attention. Please keep an eye on this page as I am still writing.
* If you came here from [community profile] snowflake_challenge [profile] fandom_snowflake and just missed me, you can still leave a prompt.

Starting now, the Poetry Fishbowl is open! Today's theme is "short forms." I will be checking this page periodically throughout the day. When people make suggestions, I'll pick some and weave them together into a poem ... and then another ... and so on. I'm hoping to get a lot of ideas and a lot of poems.

I'll be soliciting poetic forms of 60 lines or less, so basically below my epic range rather than only the short-short length of 10 lines or less. Free verse below the length limit is also fine. Here are 15 short forms with descriptions. Among my favorite short forms not listed there: hexaduad, indriso, sestina, villanelle. This list of 100 forms is alphabetical. Poets Garrett has my favorite list of forms, including a list of repeating-interlocking forms. Their main page has links to poetic forms of 3-10 lines. Plus a few of my own: A darrow poem is a short, haiku-like musing by dark elves. A khazal is a Whispering Sands desert poem in couplets. A moose track is a repeating-interlocking form. A tweet wire is a tiny 10-line poem designed for Twitter. Some short forms, like haiku and tanka, work well as verses in a longer poem. I have The New Book of Forms by Lewis Turco so most forms should be in there. You can also prompt with a link to any exotic form you find; I collect these things.

In addition to forms, I also need topical prompts. One-word or short-phrase framing will assist in keeping them small enough to fit within the theme. Here is a huge list of common themes. This page of idioms has alphabetical and topical listings. I love writing poems about an individual word; see The Phrontistery (WARNING! Black hole caliber time sink ahead!) for glossaries or this list of untranslatable words. Have an orientation that is not well represented in literature? Ask for a sexual, romantic, or other orientation! If it's not on any of my lists, just include a description or link to one. Want to help me play with my holiday gifts? :D I just got The Conflict Thesaurus, plus previously The Occupation Thesaurus, The Urban Setting Thesaurus, The Rural Setting Thesaurus, The Emotion Thesaurus, The Positive Trait Thesaurus, The Negative Trait Thesaurus. Simply click "Look Inside" and view the table of contents for a list of cool ideas. You can prompt a sestina with six end words; I usually pick 5 short flexible words and one long exotic word, but I'll work with whatever I get. Favorite characters, threads, series, settings, etc. are also fair game but this is NOT the time for long plotty prompts. Consider combining a name or title with a short form, theme, or idiom. If you like to prompt with photos, this is a great opportunity for that. Just type in a topic (see above for possibilities) and click the Image link in your favorite search engine.


Among my more relevant series for the main theme:

Arts and Crafts America is ideal for picture prompts, or just name a craft.

Fiorenza the Wisewoman suits Italian forms, most of which are short.

Hart's Farm suits Old Norse poetry.

Kung Fu Robots goes with Chinese forms.

Lacquerware suits Japanese forms.

Or you can ask for something new.

Currently eligible bingo card(s) for donors wishing to sponsor a square:

Story Sparks Bingo Card 12-23-21

Click to read the linkback poem, "Forelsket" (5 verses, Hart's Farm).


What Is a Poetry Fishbowl?

Writing is usually considered a solitary pursuit. One exception to this is a fascinating exercise called a "fishbowl." This has various forms, but all of them basically involve some kind of writing in public, usually with interaction between author and audience. A famous example is Harlan Ellison's series of "stories under glass" in which he sits in a bookstore window and writes a new story based on an idea that someone gives him. Writing classes sometimes include a version where students watch each other write, often with students calling out suggestions which are chalked up on the blackboard for those writing to use as inspiration.

In this online version of a Poetry Fishbowl, I begin by setting a theme; today's theme is "short forms." I invite people to suggest characters, settings, and other things relating to that theme. Then I use those prompts as inspiration for writing poems.


Cyberfunded Creativity

I'm practicing cyberfunded creativity. If you enjoy what I'm doing and want to see more of it, please feed the Bard. The following options are currently available:

1) Sponsor the Fishbowl -- Here is a PayPal button for donations. There is no specific requirement, but $1 is the minimum recommended size for PayPal transactions since they take a cut from every one. You can also donate via check or money order sent by postal mail. If you make a donation and tell me about it, I promise to use one of your prompts. Anonymous donations are perfectly welcome, just won't get that perk. General donations will be tallied, and at the end of the fishbowl I’ll post a list of eligible poems based on the total funding; then the audience can vote on which they want to see posted.



2) Swim, Fishie, Swim! -- A feature in conjunction with fishbowl sponsorship is this progress meter showing the amount donated. There are multiple perks, the top one being a half-price poetry sale on one series when donations reach $300.



3) Buy It Now! -- Gakked from various e-auction sites, this feature allows you to sponsor a specific poem. If you don't want to wait for some editor to buy and publish my poem so you can read it, well, now you don't have to. Sponsoring a poem means that I will immediately post it on my blog for everyone to see, with the name of the sponsor (or another dedicate) if you wish; plus you get a nonexclusive publication right, so you can post it on your own blog or elsewhere as long as you keep the credits intact. You'll need to tell me the title of the poem you want to sponsor. I'm basing the prices on length, and they're comparable to what I typically make selling poetry to magazines (semi-pro rates according to Duotrope's Digest).

0-10 lines: $5
11-25 lines: $10
26-40 lines: $15
41-60 lines: $20
Poems over 60 lines, or with very intricate structure, fall into custom pricing.

4) Commission a scrapbook page. I can render a chosen poem in hardcopy format, on colorful paper, using archival materials for background and any embellishments. This will be suitable for framing or for adding to a scrapbook. Commission details are here. See latest photos of sample scrapbooked poems: "Sample Scrapbooked Poems 1-24-11"

5) Spread the word. Echo or link to this post on your Dreamwidth, other blog, Twitter, Facebook, Digg, StumbleUpon, or any other social network. Useful Twitter hashtags include #poetryfishbowl and #promptcall. Encourage people to come here and participate in the fishbowl. If you have room for it, including your own prompt will give your readers an idea of what the prompts should look like; ideally, update later to include the thumbnail of the poem I write, and a link to the poem if it gets published. If there is at least one new prompter or donor, I will post an extra freebie poem.

Linkback perk: I have a spare series poem available, and each linkback will reveal a verse of the poem. One person can do multiple links if they're on different services, like Dreamwidth or Twitter, rather than all on LiveJournal. Comment with a link to where you posted. "Forelsket" has 5 verses and belongs to Hart's Farm.


Additional Notes

1) I customarily post replies to prompt posts telling people which of their prompts I'm using, with a brief description of the resulting poem(s). If you want to know what's available, watch for those "thumbnails."

2) You don't have to pay me to see a poem based on a prompt that you gave me. I try to send copies of poems to people, mostly using the LJ message function. (Anonymous prompters will miss this perk unless you give me your eddress.) These are for-your-eyes-only, though, not for sharing.

3) Sponsors of the Poetry Fishbowl in general, or of specific poems, will gain access to an extra post in appreciation of their generosity. While you're on the Donors list, you can view all of the custom-locked posts in that category. Click the "donors" tag to read the archive of those. I've also posted a list of other donor perks there. I customarily leave donor names on the list for two months, so you'll get to see the perk-post from this month and next.

4) After the Poetry Fishbowl concludes, I will post a list of unsold poems and their prices, to make it easier for folks to see what they might want to sponsor.

5) If donations total $100 by Friday evening then you get a free $15 poem; $150 gets you a free $20 poem; and $200 gets you a free epic, posted after the Poetry Fishbowl. These will usually be series poems if I have them; otherwise I may offer non-series poems or series poems in a different size. If donations reach $250, you get one step toward a bonus fishbowl; four of these activates the perk, and they don't have to be four months in a row. Everyone will get to vote on which series, and give prompts during the extra fishbowl, although it may be a half-day rather than a whole day. If donations reach $300, there will be a half-price sale in one series.


Feed the Fish!
Now's your chance to participate in the creative process by posting ideas for me to write about. Today's theme is "short forms." See above for details. If you manage to recommend a form that I don't recognize, I will probably pounce on it and ask you for its rules. I do have The New Book of Forms by Lewis Turco which covers most common and many obscure forms.

I'll post at least one of the fishbowl poems here so you-all can enjoy it. (Remember, you get an extra freebie poem if someone new posts a prompt or makes a donation, and additional perks at $100-$300 in donations. Linkbacks reveal verses of "Forelsket." The rest of the poems will go into my archive for future use.
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[personal profile] siliconshaman 2022-01-04 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)

I wonder if the picts have their own short forms of poetry. Something on a triad of threes probably.

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[personal profile] mama_kestrel 2022-01-04 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Even if not Pictish per se, triads are a very Celtic form of poetry. I'd like to see some of that too.
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Re: Poem

[personal profile] siliconshaman 2022-01-04 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)

Now isn't that a thing of beauty!

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Re: Also ...

[personal profile] siliconshaman 2022-01-04 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)

Annd that just cracked me up! Thanks for the laugh!

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[personal profile] kelkyag 2022-01-04 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
One God's Story of a Midlife Crisis: maintaining the solera. Working with the bottle angel. A small gift for Desdemona. Making soup. Prell's lyrics.

Monster House: Cooking together. The gargoyles on the roof. Old toys. The alley manticore. Care packages. New Year traditions.

(Anonymous) 2022-01-04 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
So, I have a story idea, and some linguistic things to play with:

Story idea: First contact/ Interspecies communication where you never actually get to the point of shared language - but you are still the best of friends and can communicate just fine. (Basically, how Interspecies Friendships work in Real Life.)

Linguistic Things: Concepts-for-which-we-do-not-have-words (I think these might go well encoded in Laadan):

> shattered-obsidian person - a person with damage such that their mental/emotional state is at times painful/damaging to others' mental/emotional selves.
The painful/damaging parts are a part of the person; they may not always be expressed, but they exist even when tucked out of sight.
The person may or may not recognize the damage, but they will often attempt to minimize harm to others (i.e. by avoiding situations that push their trauma buttons, hide distressing emotions from loved ones and so on).

> [shattered-obsidian-person]-lh - a [shattered-obsidian-person] who does not attempt to minimize harm their presence may cause to others, a "I suffered and survived worse and turned out fine, so why are you complaining?" person. (if Laadan, this would have the -lh sound.)

> [quilted-armour person] a shattered-obsidian person who tries to protect others from damage, especially whatever hurt them. Or who tries to help people with similar issues.

> [Emotional labor gift economy] - there should be a term for this, different than 'gift economy'

> [interface of emotional gift labor economy with a money-based economy] - i.e. a 'cash exchange' but without the cash.

> [Cassandra, I order you to fix-it] - a person demanding you fix something that you warned them about ages ago, but they didn't believe you or want to help and now it's only a problem because its bothering them

Next four are from this discussion:
https://ysabetwordsmith.dreamwidth.org/13247580.html?thread=44589916#cmt44589916

> chain-love - love expressed to the detriment of oneself without choice*, often involves forced emotional labor: "Work for free for the company/your coworkers," "I love you, so let me tell you [unhelpful, painful thing] against your wishes" (*even if there is a choice, it is commonly held to be a non-option, as it would involve causing harm to one's caregivees or loved ones)

> a demand for chain-love, often rudely assuming a yes - "Oh, teachers will die for their students in school shootings, because they love the kids. " "Oh, nurses have a calling, we dont need to pay them more."
"I demand you work for free, give up your time, watch this kid, incubate this proto-human, die for x, all because wuv"

> sacrificial true love - acting to benefit of loved one, but detriment to self (may not always be smart or right but is always a free choice with whatever info you have at the time): jumping a grenade, giving your kids the last of the food, risking death so someone won't die alone, giving someone up for a better life

> demanding emotional labor with expectation it is owed (not a copper-digger, as a copper-digger exchanges different wealth for work provided) (i.e. a gold digger =/= entitled mooch, copper digger =/= emotional mooch)

Fiber Arts Word Prompts

(Anonymous) 2022-01-04 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I love fiber arts words that almost sound like what they are, weft, spindle, along that train, I think that sashiko embroidery is an underappreciated metaphor and art style (kintsugi gets all the love haha)
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I got a little carried away...

[personal profile] scrubjayspeaks 2022-01-04 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I had a good time looking through all those links to forms. Flypaper for eyeballs, indeed. I got a lot of ideas inspired by the forms but not necessarily restricted to them. So some of these could use any short form you fancy; it was just a jumping-off point for my brain.

*Nonet - I quite liked "The Strange Shapes of Clouds" poem you posted, and the tapered form of the nonet reminded me of it. Maybe for a waterfall or something else that falls or tapers?

*Ottava Rima - This one was described as being for epics of heroic deeds when many stanzas of this form are strung together. I thought it might be fun to miniaturize this or another epic form, using just one stanza of its usual format, to speak of small heroics--tiny and/or everyday acts.

*Old Norse forms - Have you read Maria Dahvana Headley's new translation of Beowulf? I have the audiobook of it, and it is a delight to listen to. The alliteration is addictive, and I love the riddle-logic of kennings. Something with a lot of that would be marvelous fun.

Also, in the link you gave for these forms, they mention Galdralag, and call it the "magic spell metre." This made me think of two things.

*One, a chant for meditation would be interesting if it used some of that Old Norse style--a mantra with a little sass to it, I was thinking.

*Two, I'd love to hear your take on a work song, for when doing rhythmic, repetitive tasks. Work songs and labor/union songs became suddenly interesting to the broader, younger internet when The Wellerman went viral. The subject came up of how we need these sorts of songs for modern jobs--the ballad of the Walmart worker, and so on. Cadences for the tasks of modern jobs would be fun too.

*Haiku - Haiku and related forms are my forever favorite, and I loved the year of haiku you did. Something I've been thinking about is how the seasonality of haiku and the kigo would change alongside climate change. Haiku in an (almost) apocalyptic future, where the markers of the seasons are different, or happen at different times. (Admittedly, this is something I very much want to write about myself as well, but hey, the more, the merrier!)

*Relatedly, I was thinking about poetry in a post-apocalyptic setting, where short poems are scratched into ruins and such by people passing through. Daughters of the Apocalypse made me think of it, though I don't know when in that timeline it would be most likely to happen. The specific limitation would be of scratching letters by hand into, say, a stone wall or metal siding. So it would need to be short, and certain letters would be easier than others to render. Part form, part phonemic restriction, I suppose?

And I saw a couple of rare word entries I liked the looks of:

*namelings npl 1706 -1706
persons bearing the same name
The namelings Martin Luther and Dr. King shared a concern with political reform.

*lignatile adj 1855 -1855
living or growing on wood
She collected lignatile mushrooms on her hike, confident in her identifications.

Re: I got a little carried away...

(Anonymous) 2022-01-05 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
The thought of modern kennings is interesting - skysteed = airplane, for example.

And Daughters of the Apocalypse anything.

Maybe theres a tri-part or quintruple-part form of interlocking poetry that could work for a 3 or 5 species community:

- Wolf/human/raven occur in nature

-Zebra/wildebeest/gazelle might be done with a few remixes Add in ostriches as mounts and humans migrating with the herds and you'd have 5 species...
Possibly remix the wildebeest with cattle/buffalo and the zebras with horses as needed...

- Up north, reindeer, canids and humans. Maybe ravens, but I can't think of a fifth...

- Different cetaceans, maybe, cofishing with humans? Smaller ones could work near the shore, while bigger ones could chase stuff in from the deep sea...

- I've not seen any nonhumans in DoA using humans as an impromptu medic service...that would be interesting, too.

Re: I got a little carried away...

(Anonymous) 2022-01-05 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
If humans have dual and duet courtship wordcrafts, what would a five-part Fifer courtship woodcraft look like?

- This comment and the anonymous one directly above is See_Also_Friend.
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Prompt?

[personal profile] dialecticdreamer 2022-01-04 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been putting out metaphorical fires all week. I'd love to see a short form in any style about a powerful, positive epiphany.
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Prompt

[personal profile] ng_moonmoth 2022-01-04 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to see a cape fight, pretty much battle rap style, where the weapons include clerihews and double dactyls. Plus, if you wound up channelling your inner hip-hop muse, that would also be fine.

Details of the encounter, including number of participants on each side, are up to you. Please do write enough bits to add up to something of some significance; the base forms are awfully short.
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Re: Prompt

[personal profile] ng_moonmoth 2022-01-07 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
Sponsored for all to enjoy. Thanks for a fun read!
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[personal profile] librarygeek 2022-01-05 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
Arts and Crafts - Tape and its patterns, from a box or tape loom
I figure that making tape at home would be better preserved there for all the things needing drawstrings or ties. I also figure there might be more regional/family/organizational patterns for a level of identity and social cohesion.


My current books: Tape Loom Weaving... Simplified https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CGHISGS/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_1S457XC4BKM8GZQCZE1G and

"Handwoven Tape at WEBS | Yarn.com" https://www.yarn.com/products/handwoven-tape?sku=BKS-WEAVER01-P&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_c-OBhDFARIsAIFg3eyNJ-NJXB9-pCTud0tKcs7vfAQ3goK3cUaCHW6JAmok9WxH_6yEwLkaApG9EALw_wcB
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[personal profile] fuzzyred 2022-01-05 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
I'd love to see a poem about the bliss of surrender, in a kinky sense. I'm not sure what form would work best, but maybe a villanelle, indriso, nonet, or cinquain?

Other prompts: the magic of fiber crafts, sunsets on the water, beauty that evolves, or a poem with the Spenserian form
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Prompts

[personal profile] heartsinger 2022-01-05 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
Whomst?
Whatst?
Whenst?
Wheremst?
Whymst?
Howmst?

"You're shorter today!"
"Yeah, I wasn't feeling being tall."

"I thought you were dead!"
"I thought you were smaller!"

Paperwork research, getting precisely what's needed concisely and with maximum ease of use.

Drabble, a true 100 words exactly fannish drabble.

A form, an actual literal paperwork form, shorter than usual.

I did not read the other prompts in advance so I might have repeated something.
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[personal profile] erulisse 2022-01-05 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Micro-seasons. I imagine they're more well-known in arts and crafts America? It feels like the kind of thing they would import and localize and make art about.