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ysabetwordsmith ([personal profile] ysabetwordsmith) wrote2022-12-01 07:32 pm
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Diet and Mind

This article talks about food and mental health.

TL;DR: If your mind is malfunctioning, check your diet first, because a poor diet can cause problems which are then fixable simply by improving diet. If your diet is good or improving it doesn't help, then move on to other problem-solving methods. Trying diet first is cheaper and safer than other options for mental care. Getting into details...


Despite the wide body of research focusing on how what we eat — and when — affects our metabolism and mitochondria, relatively few studies have focused on the link between diet and mental health.

1) That's stupid. More scientific studies would help. It's always nice to have details.

2) It's also very modern-Western-centric. Various old cultures have advice on how to use food as medicine for physical and mental health. For some of the more comprehensive surviving examples, see Ayurveda and Traditional Chinese Medicine. Some folks have been studying this stuff for thousands of years. So if your system has not studied it much, borrow someone else's!


What most people might not know is that diet also has profound effects on mental health and the brain.

I would bet that almost everyone has figured out how certain foods make them feel better. In some people it is subconscious, in others mindful, but almost everyone does it -- to the point that eating a tub of ice cream after a breakup is a cultural cliche. Why ice cream? Aside from being creamy and sweet and fatty (common traits in comfort food), the cold helps numb the pain, like putting an ice pack on an injury.

However, people usually do not follow that to its logical conclusion, which is that a crappy diet will reliably make you feel like crap. The modern western diet is crap, so unsurprisingly, lots of people feel like crap. Of course, modern western culture is also crappy and that does not help. But you cannot feel healthy and good if your body lacks the raw materials needed to make vital neurochemicals, red blood cells, etc. and many diets are poor in nutrients. There are some people who have figured this out, though. See Hippie Food for an example, and if you can buy yogurt in your local supermarket, thank the hippies!


What might be more surprising is that the neural circuits for loneliness overlap directly with the neural circuits that warn of starvation.

Yyyyyeah. That's part of a complex of stuff designed to discourage our ancestors from running off and maybe getting eaten by saberteeth. Today it doesn't work so well.

On the bright side, food is bonding. Sharing food creates and maintains human ties. One useful application of this is that you can use cooking or eating together as a means of strengthening ties. Another is that if your current comfort foods are junk, you can use this to introduce healthier ones.


There are at least seven different ways that dietary interventions can be helpful in addressing mental symptoms:

Addressing nutritional deficiencies, such as folate, vitamin B12, and thiamine deficiency.


A healthy diet should meet nutritional needs. However, if problems are occurring, sometimes it is helpful to check specific levels of nutrients which if low could cause that sort of problem.


Removing dietary allergens or toxins. For example, some people have an autoimmune disorder called Celiac disease that results in inflammation and other metabolic problems in response to gluten. This can also affect brain function. I’ve described the toxic effects of TFAs. There are many other dietary ingredients that can also impair mitochondrial function.

Let's not forget the thousands of allegedly "safe" chemicals in modern foodlike products -- preservatives, colorings, flavorings, binders, etc. Many of them are not as digestible as claimed, and this can cause problems.


Eating a “healthy diet,” such as the Mediterranean diet, may play a role for some people.

That's a good one. However, the African food pyramid has leafy greens as its bottom layer.


Improving the gut microbiome.

Be a kindly god to your indwelling creatures. They like it when you eat lots of fiber and live cultures. If you frequently murder them with antibiotics, your microbiome will suffer as other less-friendly creatures like yeast flourish. So if you need to use antibiotics, at least send an olive branch: consume high-fiber prebiotics and live culture probiotics to restore your microbiome.


Improving metabolism and mitochondrial function with a dietary intervention. This includes changes in insulin resistance, metabolic rate, the number of mitochondria in cells, the overall health of mitochondria, hormones, inflammation, and many other known regulators of metabolism.

Harder to troubleshoot, but one of them is easier with science. Every sugar has a pattern when it is digested and used. Often that's a narrow spike but some are broader. You have two options here: 1) Avoid foods that cause spikes and prefer foods with a slower release of energy (low-glycemic-index). Some diets aim for this. 2) Combine multiple sugars that peak at different rates to create a more balanced flow of energy and avoid peak-and-crash problems. Many energy bars do this, and a few have published wavemaps of the sugars they use so you can see the digestion curves. It is possible to achieve the same effects at home if you research different sugars that you might wish to combine in energy bars/bites.


Losing weight can help to mitigate the problems associated with obesity.
Gaining weight can be a life-saving intervention for those who are severely underweight.


Well, duh. Removing a condition tends to remove the problems associated with that condition.

The problem is that we don't have effective means of losing weight safely and keeping it off. What actually happens is that about 97% of people who lose weight not only regain it but pack on more. Dieting doesn't make you thinner, it makes you fatter. Even if you can't solve the problem, you can at least avoid actively making it worse.

About the only thing that does make major, lasting change is rebuilding your whole lifestyle. If you switch to a highly active career or a car-free neighborhood that makes you walk a lot, chances are you will lose weight and keep it off. That's not the kind of choice most people are willing or even able to make.

However, there's another option that can be helpful: make slow, small, incremental improvements in diet. Change refined grains to whole grains. Choose grilling instead of frying. Use less sweetener, and prefer natural ones (e.g. honey, bananas) over refined (white sugar) or artificial (e.g. aspartame) ones. This approach tends to have less dramatic effects, but can slow the rate of weight gain, and if nothing else at least you're eating better.

Gaining weight is only slightly easier. See How to Maximize Calories & Nutrition for some ideas.


There is also evidence that fasting, intermittent fasting (IF), and fasting-mimicking diets may play a role in treating mental disorders. They all result in the production of ketone bodies, which are made when fat is being used as an energy source. Fat gets turned into ketones. And, interestingly, this process occurs exclusively in mitochondria, yet another role for these magnificent organelles.

This may work for some people; there are traditions that favor it. The problem is that some other people begin to malfunction quickly and badly after just a few hours without food. Some become angry and violent. Others become confused and lethargic. Some throw up. All of these are counterproductive. Plus of course, fasting can make the body think it's starving and try to pack on more weight, which is also the opposite of helpful.
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[personal profile] stormehowl 2022-12-02 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
All very interesting read! I have been on low carb diet (and very low sugar). This is because I suspect I'm pre-diabetic. I began eating a pre-diabetic diet and noticed a huge change not only in how I feel but also how I think. As a long term sufferer of anxiety and depression I have noticed a difference in how I experience it since eating strictly this way for a month now. I continue to notice improvements. I've lost a little weight and less swollen everywhere such as face and feet. I look healthier. Or maybe my diet has caused a more positive point of view and I just feel I look better because I feel better. It's all very interesting.

A lot of my eating was linked to emotions. Now what I'm eating is helping my emotions. Anyway, I saw your cutline and knew this was going to be an interesting read. Thank you.
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[personal profile] dreamy 2022-12-02 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
What might be more surprising is that the neural circuits for loneliness overlap directly with the neural circuits that warn of starvation.

Being flippant on sooo many levels here, but... food is a "love language" after all! I knew it!

I've never heard of Oldways. I am enjoying looking at the various "cultural diet" pages they have...

I'm very unhealthy at this time in too many ways to count. But this entry has me resolving to at least choose a healthy lunch at work today instead of my usual impulsive, desperate choice to grab the first things I see to put something on my stomach and give me enough energy to get through the day (lately a Slim Jim and an energy drink, yuck). It's only making me sicker when I do that but I keep doing it... Gosh, I'll at least grab a hummus-and-pretzel pack and a yogurt and drink water instead. It says chickpeas are a good prebiotic with fiber, so that combined with a yogurt might be okay?!
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[personal profile] dreamy 2022-12-03 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
I've never had muesli, but may try it soon.

Sorry ahead of time for this boring rambling, but:

I did end up choosing a sandwich and yogurt for breakfast, and then having a hummus-and-pretzel pack and a "healthy" energy drink (it didn't taste very good but it worked well enough) for a snack at work, and then some sort of microwave meal that had shrimp, linguini, and tomatoes in it for lunch. I felt better today than I have for a little while. I think maybe I'll try to switch to tea for the caffeine and quit the energy drinks, but it's just been hard to adjust to my current work schedule (4:30am-1pm) but I actually gave in and closed my availability so I won't be scheduled before 6am. I have to wake up at least 2 hours early because I need to take my time getting ready for anything and I like to get there at least 15 minutes early so it's not a rush to clock in immediately. I feel bad, like I'm letting them down, but I hope they approve the availability change because I guess it's just too hard on me to manage this schedule and get adequate sleep. I'm sick of relying on an ineffective combination of sleeping pills/NyQuil and energy drinks.

I didn't go crazy or do much research, but because me and my mom have been sick lately from the unhealthy food we've been eating, I did some grocery shopping after work and bought stuff for stir-fry and salads. =) I got frozen stir-fry vegetables and some mushrooms to add because I had read mushrooms were a decent prebiotic with fiber (? I hope I'm not mistaken about that) and I'm going to make it with chicken strips, Korean bbq sauce, kimchi, and rice. I'm trying to help improve our gut health.

I got myself some stuff for salads. Mom has trouble eating them, so it's mostly for me but I could probably add some of the spring mix to a panini for her. I bought eggs to boil and some vegan "chicken nuggets" to add a little something extra to my salads.

We've got some chicken in the freezer that my mom forgot about and we're going to cook that into a big chicken and vegetable soup tomorrow, too, and freeze it in bags and have it there for last-minute meals when we don't feel like cooking (instead of ordering fast food).

Well, I apologize again if that was mind-numbingly boring information. But I wanted to tell you because I appreciate your encouragement in eating healthier. All I needed was the prompt to make better choices here and there. It'll probably get easier as I go.
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[personal profile] fyreharper 2022-12-05 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
“I feel bad, like I'm letting them down”

You’re setting perfectly reasonable boundaries that are necessary for your health. That is *important*. If they’re relying on you wrecking yourself in order to get things done, that’s a problem, but that does not make it your responsibility to let them solve that problem by sacrificing your well-being to it.
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[personal profile] dreamy 2022-12-05 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
I know you're right logically, but a part of me still feels guilty and also like now I'm dooming someone else to be stuck in my position. But there are quite a few people here who don't seem to be bothered by the schedule or even prefer it. So really I'm fretting about nothing.

It definitely does make it harder to get a job unless you completely open your availability and put up with just about anything. Also, I know it's a poor excuse, but the schedule and the amount of time I'm having to spend working over is actually making it harder to get a different job. It's tricky to schedule interviews or do online assessments for applications when I have to go home and immediately eat, do laundry, and then take a sleeping pill so I can wake up again on time. Plus my hands are so numb and sore!! I had two days off in a row and basically just laid in bed recovering. I've had enough.

I've got a relatively good job that pays very well for the type of work it is (retail & food service) and I like the people I work with, but I'm so tired!
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[personal profile] we_are_spc 2022-12-02 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I did the intermittent fasting thing for a bit-and it worked for me. I kinda miss it, but these days, I wouldn't be able to do it.

I've changed enough (And my hangry's gotten worse) that it wouldn't be a good idea at this point.

But I'll tell you wat. The Isogenics (The program I was on at the time) cleanser definitely does it's job. It took out all the half-digested crap and extra watter-I lost seven pounds in the first month. And whatever was in their brain cerum is something I miss. Outside of the meds, I'd never know anything that made my brain work that well, and that clearly. It was both terrifying and comforting. Terrifying because I wasn't used to that level of clarity, comforting because, at the time, I knew I could keep it that way so long as...

But like most systems, it was prohibitive in cost, so I hd to stop. Not to mention they wanted you to do the MLM thing, whic I wasn't comfortable with, no matter that their products worked for me.

(they had two options. One was the intermitent fasting. The other was to take their cleanser once a day. I miss their shakes: they tasted better than the other system I moved to some year ago, and have sinces topped using because their site sucks for accessibility, and they don't seem to want to acknoledge that despite a CPACC (Certified professional in Accessibility Core Competencies) reaching out to them. Twice, even.

These days I try filling in the gaps with supplements and diet-it seems to be doing the trick.

-T~