>>...the rest of the day to 24 hours.<< I assume this means 'til sundown or 24 hours.' <<
Common examples include a few hours, until sundown, 12 hours, and 24 hours. It depends on the circumstances. However, it is widely agreed that chasing someone who just helped you is Very Bad Form.
>> What about CPR on a mermaid/merman? <<
Well, that depends on whether they are more mammalian (air-breathing lungs) or more piscean (water-breathing gills). If both, you can likely use either option, unless one is injured in which case use the other; but then you have to figure out how to block the other, if it is not naturally sealed. For mammalian lungs, human CPR should work. For gills, use shark CPR, towing the victim through the water so it flows over the gills. If a body of water is unavailable, oxygenated water could be used with a pump and hose, but this is unlikely to be available. *ponder* Well, except in the Maldives, which is attracting scads of mermaids, much to everyone's delight.
>> Also I wonder if Terramagne has any more unusual body configurations - sphynxes, harpies, giants, headless horsemen, zombies/undead (of various types)? I am in a mythological mood it seems...<<
Yes, lots of variations. Carl Bernhardt alone contributed a considerable number. Some are natural. There's at least one company offering voluntary makeovers, too.
>> Skink and Pythia may have three-chambred hearts, but I'm not sure how that will affect CPR (or if it will cause additional problems).<<
I don't think so, but I couldn't swear to it.
What I have seen is lizard traits causing near-fatal effects due to light and heat deprivation that wouldn't faze a human. O_O
>>We've already seen problems of human medics treating wings, and I suspect 'normal' bird traits might get labeled as brittle bones or fever.<<
Likely so.
Temperature varies in humans, even though people say it doesn't. This is a problem when nobody ever believes it. The issue is worse for soups because the variation is much wider, and in some cases, what would help a human is dangerous for soups -- for instance, trying to bring down a "fever" that is normal could crash vital signs or short out superpowers.
>> It might make sense for Ansel and Janine to take an animal first aid course in case something happens to Turq (maybe his foster family too).<<
Highly advisable for anyone around him. They're planning to do one at the farm for the centaurs, so that's a logical time, even if canid first aid winds up being a separate session. Nebuly has an actual dog form, he's a collie. Saffron has a horse form and the felydd is vaguely feline. Tyria has the cat form and catusha which is also vaguely feline. So maybe a large animal and a small animal session.
>>I that stone giant lady might need special first aid skills. I have /no idea/ what health weirdness the mollusk soup-lady might develop - she's mashing up two different phyla, for crying out loud! <<
Yeah, those are pretty far-out. Even crossing mammal and reptile or bird gets into some very weird shit, but the inanimates are even weirder -- and rockfolk are, while not exactly common, a known form. There are even a few people with plant traits, rather than just Plant Powers.
Elementals often have first aid quirks, like don't shock anyone with Electrical Powers because it can backlash. Fireheart's powers are shorted out by copper, which is usually just a topical effect causing discomfort and surface burns, but I would not recommend stabbing him with a copper knife.
>> Also, CPR or near drowning with Nerissa or Velvet? They* doesn't even breathe thru their mouths (and cannot close their trachea -breathing holes- if they fall in water), <<
Most invertebrates have no defense against inhaling water, with the exception of adapted species such as water beetles. If they get submerged, they die very quickly. I'm not sure about velvet worms because 1) they have soft muscular bodies rather than chitin and 2) they live in damp to soggy areas so may have some ability to hold their breath. And now I want to drop one in an aquarium with branches across the lid to see if it will try to spit ropes and pull itself out. I am not exactly a mad scientist, but sometimes I have pretty creepy ideas. (To be specific, a nonsapient velvet worm, not a person shaped like one. Although Velvet's enemies might get a rude surprise if they shoved her in a river expecting that to work.)
>> and if they're over a certain size and anything conks out their Required Secondary Powers, they could suffocate, or be crushed by atmospheric pressure. <<
Yeah, giant creatures tend to have a supportive field akin to what keeps a strongman or speedster from shredding their own body.
>> (Best I can think of for CPR would be an oxygen tent, but I don't know if their atmospheric ratios need to be very close to human ones.) <<
That's possible. A mask can work if pressed over breathing orifices -- it's not actually restricted to mouth. There are other shapes for nonhumans already, used in veterinary care, very useful for some animal soups. Huh, I wonder if anyone's actually answered these questions for endangered species of invertebrates? I wish I knew a zookeeper or zoologist!
>>And fractures are more serious with an exoskeleton than an endoskeleton, because if your exoskeleton is broken that doubles as a gaping wound (while endoskeletal fractures are not necessarily open-air). *applies to Velvet in bug form.<<
Also, exoskeletons tend to come with an open circulatory system, although it varies in complexity. Broken chitin tends to leak slowly. A small leak might seal, but larger ones usually don't -- notorious for killing tarantulas that fall even a short distance. Soft bodies have better sealing qualities, but there's a different risk. Velvet worms are muscular, designed to move with fluid pressure and exert strong force to spew their goo weapon. That means any penetrating injury could cause them to bleed out very fast. On the other hand, if conscious, Velvet could probably either glue the leak shut or shift back to human form.
>>I suspect it will become reccomended practice for primal soups and differently first aidable persons to wear medalert jewelry, inform friend/roomates/frequent aqquaintences of possible training, and list preferred specialists to call...if they are comfortable doing so.<<
Yes. I know that some firebugs already wear a Fire Alert bracelet to warn people never to spray them with fire extinguisher or water, even if they are on fire.
>> Also Dr. Infanta or Kraken may want to fund the development of custom CPR dummies...<<
It's possible Kraken has a few already. Dr. Infanta will certainly get the idea when she sees Conrad and Kedric stapling together a human torso dummy with a lower body cobbled up from wagon springs and hair-on cowhide! She has a vast budget, so that's very promising.
LOL I can just imagine her going to Kekewai or some other movie effects company asking them to make articulated health dummies for unusual bodies.
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I assume this means 'til sundown or 24 hours.' <<
Common examples include a few hours, until sundown, 12 hours, and 24 hours. It depends on the circumstances. However, it is widely agreed that chasing someone who just helped you is Very Bad Form.
>> What about CPR on a mermaid/merman? <<
Well, that depends on whether they are more mammalian (air-breathing lungs) or more piscean (water-breathing gills). If both, you can likely use either option, unless one is injured in which case use the other; but then you have to figure out how to block the other, if it is not naturally sealed. For mammalian lungs, human CPR should work. For gills, use shark CPR, towing the victim through the water so it flows over the gills. If a body of water is unavailable, oxygenated water could be used with a pump and hose, but this is unlikely to be available. *ponder* Well, except in the Maldives, which is attracting scads of mermaids, much to everyone's delight.
>> Also I wonder if Terramagne has any more unusual body configurations - sphynxes, harpies, giants, headless horsemen, zombies/undead (of various types)? I am in a mythological mood it seems...<<
Yes, lots of variations. Carl Bernhardt alone contributed a considerable number. Some are natural. There's at least one company offering voluntary makeovers, too.
>> Skink and Pythia may have three-chambred hearts, but I'm not sure how that will affect CPR (or if it will cause additional problems).<<
I don't think so, but I couldn't swear to it.
What I have seen is lizard traits causing near-fatal effects due to light and heat deprivation that wouldn't faze a human. O_O
>>We've already seen problems of human medics treating wings, and I suspect 'normal' bird traits might get labeled as brittle bones or fever.<<
Likely so.
Temperature varies in humans, even though people say it doesn't. This is a problem when nobody ever believes it. The issue is worse for soups because the variation is much wider, and in some cases, what would help a human is dangerous for soups -- for instance, trying to bring down a "fever" that is normal could crash vital signs or short out superpowers.
>> It might make sense for Ansel and Janine to take an animal first aid course in case something happens to Turq (maybe his foster family too).<<
Highly advisable for anyone around him. They're planning to do one at the farm for the centaurs, so that's a logical time, even if canid first aid winds up being a separate session. Nebuly has an actual dog form, he's a collie. Saffron has a horse form and the felydd is vaguely feline. Tyria has the cat form and catusha which is also vaguely feline. So maybe a large animal and a small animal session.
>>I that stone giant lady might need special first aid skills. I have /no idea/ what health weirdness the mollusk soup-lady might develop - she's mashing up two different phyla, for crying out loud! <<
Yeah, those are pretty far-out. Even crossing mammal and reptile or bird gets into some very weird shit, but the inanimates are even weirder -- and rockfolk are, while not exactly common, a known form. There are even a few people with plant traits, rather than just Plant Powers.
Elementals often have first aid quirks, like don't shock anyone with Electrical Powers because it can backlash. Fireheart's powers are shorted out by copper, which is usually just a topical effect causing discomfort and surface burns, but I would not recommend stabbing him with a copper knife.
>> Also, CPR or near drowning with Nerissa or Velvet? They* doesn't even breathe thru their mouths (and cannot close their trachea -breathing holes- if they fall in water), <<
Most invertebrates have no defense against inhaling water, with the exception of adapted species such as water beetles. If they get submerged, they die very quickly. I'm not sure about velvet worms because 1) they have soft muscular bodies rather than chitin and 2) they live in damp to soggy areas so may have some ability to hold their breath. And now I want to drop one in an aquarium with branches across the lid to see if it will try to spit ropes and pull itself out. I am not exactly a mad scientist, but sometimes I have pretty creepy ideas. (To be specific, a nonsapient velvet worm, not a person shaped like one. Although Velvet's enemies might get a rude surprise if they shoved her in a river expecting that to work.)
>> and if they're over a certain size and anything conks out their Required Secondary Powers, they could suffocate, or be crushed by atmospheric pressure. <<
Yeah, giant creatures tend to have a supportive field akin to what keeps a strongman or speedster from shredding their own body.
>> (Best I can think of for CPR would be an oxygen tent, but I don't know if their atmospheric ratios need to be very close to human ones.) <<
That's possible. A mask can work if pressed over breathing orifices -- it's not actually restricted to mouth. There are other shapes for nonhumans already, used in veterinary care, very useful for some animal soups. Huh, I wonder if anyone's actually answered these questions for endangered species of invertebrates? I wish I knew a zookeeper or zoologist!
>>And fractures are more serious with an exoskeleton than an endoskeleton, because if your exoskeleton is broken that doubles as a gaping wound (while endoskeletal fractures are not necessarily open-air).
*applies to Velvet in bug form.<<
Also, exoskeletons tend to come with an open circulatory system, although it varies in complexity. Broken chitin tends to leak slowly. A small leak might seal, but larger ones usually don't -- notorious for killing tarantulas that fall even a short distance. Soft bodies have better sealing qualities, but there's a different risk. Velvet worms are muscular, designed to move with fluid pressure and exert strong force to spew their goo weapon. That means any penetrating injury could cause them to bleed out very fast. On the other hand, if conscious, Velvet could probably either glue the leak shut or shift back to human form.
>>I suspect it will become reccomended practice for primal soups and differently first aidable persons to wear medalert jewelry, inform friend/roomates/frequent aqquaintences of possible training, and list preferred specialists to call...if they are comfortable doing so.<<
Yes. I know that some firebugs already wear a Fire Alert bracelet to warn people never to spray them with fire extinguisher or water, even if they are on fire.
>> Also Dr. Infanta or Kraken may want to fund the development of custom CPR dummies...<<
It's possible Kraken has a few already. Dr. Infanta will certainly get the idea when she sees Conrad and Kedric stapling together a human torso dummy with a lower body cobbled up from wagon springs and hair-on cowhide! She has a vast budget, so that's very promising.
LOL I can just imagine her going to Kekewai or some other movie effects company asking them to make articulated health dummies for unusual bodies.
You have such awesome ideas. :D