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Day 14

In your own space, talk about what you think the future holds for fandom. Leave a comment in this post saying you did it. Include a link to your post if you feel comfortable doing so

Ups and downs, really. 

Fandom started out as a close-knit community.  It isn't anymore.  That makes it a lot less fun for me.  That trend is continuing. 

I see more sexual harassment, behavior policing, and other obnoxiousness; and I expect that will get worse before it gets better, if it ever does.  People would rather write very troubling "policies" into convention paperwork to make it look like they're doing something rather than say: "If someone has touched your sexual parts without your consent, he has committed a crime, and you should call the police should you wish to do something about that.  We are not trained to judge fault or enforce laws."  They'd also rather look like they're doing something than take actual action, such as presenting workshops on responsible interactions.  Years ago, I was at a con that had instruction flyers on that and other topics; very prudent of them.  I can't really blame them for not wanting to teach the topic, though; I doubt people would listen.

On the bright side, there is a fuckton more fanwork out there, and it is massively easier to find than it used to be.  I think this trend will also continue.  We don't have to pass it around via copy machines anymore.  \o/

I also like the rise of content notes, especially when they are searchable, another rising trend.  It's more efficient to tell what's in a story before you read it, if that's what you want.  Perhaps someday we'll have really good  AI helping us find exactly what we want.  Then again, maybe people won't want to tell a bot about their secret love of tentacle hentai.

One thing I would like  to see is curated collections of fanfic.  The rise of Kirk/Spock.  The old Sime/Gen zines.  Major developments in modern canons, including "So You're New to Fandom X: Start Here" stuff.  That's very doable.

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Date: 2019-01-15 08:03 am (UTC)
harpers_child: melaka fray reading from "Tales of the Slayers". (Default)
From: [personal profile] harpers_child
I was so underwhelmed and alienated by the 'zine panel at the con I went to this past fall that now I want to curate a 'zine or collection of 'zines just so I have a stack of fic, meta, art, etc to go back and wave in their faces.

I'll run a panel. New Skool Zines! where to find the good stuff online in the modern age! Look! Here are things I have bought in the last year with actual cash monies. Here are things I have traded for. Look at my shiny!

I probably shouldn't put words on the internet after I've taken my bedtime meds.

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Date: 2019-01-15 11:16 am (UTC)
ruuger: My hand with the nails painted red and black resting on the keyboard of my laptop (Default)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
Just out of curiosity, what made you feel alianated at the panel? Because I've noticed that zines have made a resurgence lately, and have been wondering if there has been any kind of clash between old school zines and the new kind of zines.

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Date: 2019-01-15 08:03 pm (UTC)
harpers_child: melaka fray reading from "Tales of the Slayers". (Default)
From: [personal profile] harpers_child
The panel was advertised as "zines then and now". I went in expecting to be the youngest person in the room at 35. I did expect them to talk about something made after I was born which didn't really happen. Trying to get them to talk about stuff after 2000 was like pulling teeth.

The two presenters and at least one other person in the room out of 10 were all part of the same APA (amateur press association?). They pretty much just talked about that and great zine collectors of years past. I mentioned that the OTW did archive work for physical media. No one else had ever heard of the OTW or AO3.

Someone else asked about where to find zines currently. They suggested joining their APA and mentioned efanzines.com. (No search function. No description of what the contents are.) I said I'd found signal boosters on tumblr, twitter, and facebook. Facebook being the fannish social media of choice established earlier.

tl;dr I was a new face and they didn't particularly want me there. Which was kind of the theme for the whole con.

edit: Just checked. efanzines does have search. It searches the body of the text of each PDF and finds every mention of the thing you're looking for. So if for example you want "star wars" the search results find 10+ pages of people mentioning Star Wars in passing but you still don't know which zines are about Star wars.
Edited (more accurate information) Date: 2019-01-15 08:09 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2019-01-16 07:18 pm (UTC)
ruuger: My hand with the nails painted red and black resting on the keyboard of my laptop (Default)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
Yeah, from what I've understood, the zine-fandom is very insular.

I mentioned that the OTW did archive work for physical media. No one else had ever heard of the OTW or AO3.

Oh, wow. Even mainstream media knows about Ao3 so it really takes an effort to be this clueless about current state of fandom.

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Date: 2019-01-17 10:23 am (UTC)
bibliofile: Fan & papers in a stack (from my own photo) (Default)
From: [personal profile] bibliofile
I'm familiar some of the people you seem to have encountered on your panel: the old-school skiffy fanzine fans, who are aware of how APAs* and fanzines started**, along with mainstream SF&F fandom and worldcons and stuff. This is all very interesting, if you like that sort of thing, and it is a fine tradition to follow if you want. efanzines helps continue that particular tradition, though it means that the Star Wars you'll find there is mostly incidental reports of people going to see the movies -- not whole fanzines about Star Wars.

However! (asyouknowbob) There's more to fanzines than that. So many kinds of fanzines, and so many fanzine cultures, but they aren't all aware of each other. Even after the explosion of social media, where people can find each other in so many ways if they just go looking. I'm sorry that your panel was so unsatisfactory for you, and I hope that you find a much better iteration of that panel next time.

*Yes, amateur press association.
** Via the letter columns in the various SF&F magazines.

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Date: 2019-01-15 01:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spikedluv
I've only been in fandom for about 17 years, but I miss the close-knit community feel from my first days at Yahoo Groups.

And I could do without the antis/morality police.

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Date: 2019-01-15 03:15 pm (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
The problem here is one of psychology. Anytime you get a big enough group, you're going to develop politics. And politics can and will be abused. Period, paragraph. The degenerate (ahem) case is this: Because much of (non-comic-book) fandom is about marginal people you want fandom to be radically inclusive. And yet, you *need* a way to eject the assholes when (not if) they come pushing their little boy's club ideas... aaaaaand there's blood on the floor.

I have seen exactly one society that has lasted any length of time without the assholes shoving their way to the top and wrecking it. It was billed as an anarchy; it had guidelines, not rules... and at its core, really? It was a very benevolent dictatorship run by a cabal of educated men who had one goal: Make the damn thing work. Admittance to the society required association with an institution of higher learning, or a high-tech corporation, and if one abused that admittance, one was very quickly educated (or shown the door) by the vast majority of those already there.

If I could come up with a decent way to keep _good people_ in the governance of something, I would bottle it, sell it for a modest sum, and still be a very, very rich bear...


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