I don't think I know of any systems who *don't* accept "you&" or being called by their system name. Non-plurals (non-systems) will get pissed. Among the many many *other* differences there are, plurals and non-plurals function about opposite. Systems orient around shared life, the local!body, and they accept being treated like collectives, even if they outwardly protest that. It's still there in how they act and frame themselves. Everything is "we". Non-plurals don't do that. Individuals are individuals, this life isn't prioritized over people's own lives, this life doesn't dictate who they are or who they interact with, and they don't gaslight themselves just because something didn't happen here. That one is a huge problem in the plural community, which sucks for the people who *belong* to it too.
It's so different that it's laughable that they get so mixed up and that *plurals* try to insist on integrating non-plurals with their community. But that's what happens when one community decides to use its umbrella term on people outside of their community, on people who *don't* belong to it and have been abused for obviously not belonging to it. Incidentally why non-plurals will usually hate being compared; they've been compared for years, and those comparisons used to say "but you're REALLY _____". Can't count how many places I've seen *that* before. And *now* plurals are the shiny new thing. Probably the most frustrating thing about that is that it used to be easy to start with people on a clean slate, but now that plural terminology is saturating everything it's getting impossible to get away from, and people treat that like it's the only option so that's even worse. It's great for plurals because it's set up for them. Really super bad for non-plurals. The invisible "other" option just becomes even more invisible because no one acknowledges an alternative. And it isn't for lack of trying - so far, the only people to be assed about inclusiveness when they talk about body-sharing are non-plurals. Sure as heck isn't fixing the problem.
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I don't think I know of any systems who *don't* accept "you&" or being called by their system name. Non-plurals (non-systems) will get pissed. Among the many many *other* differences there are, plurals and non-plurals function about opposite. Systems orient around shared life, the local!body, and they accept being treated like collectives, even if they outwardly protest that. It's still there in how they act and frame themselves. Everything is "we". Non-plurals don't do that. Individuals are individuals, this life isn't prioritized over people's own lives, this life doesn't dictate who they are or who they interact with, and they don't gaslight themselves just because something didn't happen here. That one is a huge problem in the plural community, which sucks for the people who *belong* to it too.
It's so different that it's laughable that they get so mixed up and that *plurals* try to insist on integrating non-plurals with their community. But that's what happens when one community decides to use its umbrella term on people outside of their community, on people who *don't* belong to it and have been abused for obviously not belonging to it. Incidentally why non-plurals will usually hate being compared; they've been compared for years, and those comparisons used to say "but you're REALLY _____". Can't count how many places I've seen *that* before.
And *now* plurals are the shiny new thing. Probably the most frustrating thing about that is that it used to be easy to start with people on a clean slate, but now that plural terminology is saturating everything it's getting impossible to get away from, and people treat that like it's the only option so that's even worse. It's great for plurals because it's set up for them. Really super bad for non-plurals. The invisible "other" option just becomes even more invisible because no one acknowledges an alternative. And it isn't for lack of trying - so far, the only people to be assed about inclusiveness when they talk about body-sharing are non-plurals. Sure as heck isn't fixing the problem.
- Johnny