Re: hitting below the belt, but that's the point: every boxer (and probably everyone who knows anything about boxing) *knows* you don't hit below the belt. But Stan was swinging (he thought) for a good, clean jab in a perfectly legal area. That's why I take exception.

And I didn't disagree on "excessive" - I merely pointed out that it's a painful term because "excessive" is most often (not always) coupled with choice/deliberation.

I agree Stan will apologize for all the right reasons. My protest was merely that, only now would it be "hitting below the belt" rather than "hitting a location he didn't realize was especially vulnerable". Do you see what I'm getting at?