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... would a hospital make a McDonald's its adjunct restaurant.  Think about all the times doctors nag people to eat better and lose weight, and all the people who can't  eat McDonald's due to special dietary needs.  I am just boggled by the loss of opportunity, because this shit is routine in L-American "health care" -- they push people around, but refuse to lift a finger to help.  Hospital food is almost universally slop of exactly the kind they tell people not to eat, and the cafeterias or adjunct restaurants are barely better.  What they should be doing is serving delicious well-balanced meals to show  people how that works, and then doctors should eat that in public, because humans are prone to imitative behavior.  I've read about outliers having an organic restaurant, but in terms of access, that's still a unicorn hunt.  But McDonald's?  Really?  WTF.

Fortunately someone working there does NOT have their head up their ass, and has started a petition to replace it with a restaurant serving healthy food.

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Date: 2017-06-14 07:06 pm (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
Sadly, that's not the only hospital I know with The Scottish Restaurant in-house. :(

Re: Well...

Date: 2017-06-14 07:21 pm (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
I'll take that action, because "healthcare" in America is controlled by money, and patients have none, and MacAbuseTheirEmployees has a lot.

What we have to do here is wag the dog, and force the Arches to treat both employees and customers right.

That and take the huge profit motive out of healthcare. But that requires the dreaded 's' word...

Re: Well...

Date: 2017-06-14 08:31 pm (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
Okay. I hear what you're saying, but I'm gonna disagree partially, and I think (ironically?) our Constitution's preamble has the key: "provide for the common Defence, and promote the general Welfare." *Promote*, not *provide*.

It is totally part of the social contract of any functioning community that one takes care of one's own. HOWEVER. When you get something with freakin' 300 MILLION people in it, you know as well as I do that you can't do one size fits all.

So.

We say, "Okay, medicine must be non-profit. We will accredit non-profit orgs to do medicine, and we will accredit schools to teach medicine, and we will encourage people to become doctors and nurses and techs and such like, but there will always be multiples of each, and people can choose who they go to.... but we're not doing medicine *directly*."

Because some things - fire departments, roads, schools, *medicine*... simply *won't get done* if you leave it to volunteers. But you're right, a lot of people don't trust the gooberment, and for good reason.

.... which is why we need to re-make the whole damn thing in the first place, but that's kinda outta scope here...

To go all the way back to the original culprit, Mickey Da'esh? I think that's gonna solve itself. The whole $15 minimum wage thing has been in place for a while, and it's actually *doing some good*, measurably, right here in Puget City... that's gonna take off. And when people can actually afford to pay for stuff, and they're not turning over jobs like hotcakes, then they'll have room left in their profit structure to actually serve decent food. (They've actually been starting to do it here in Salishia! they're having to compete on *quality*, because folks can afford to go elsewhere...)

It's a long damn road. But Confucius say longest journey start with single step... and we're already a couple hundred yards in.

Re: Well...

Date: 2017-06-14 08:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kengr
Some day I'm going to unearth my high school yearbook and scan some of the pics of me in my wrestling uniform. I'm obviously skinny as heck.

And at the time I was the same height I am now, and weighed 180-190.

Why is that important? Because I've had doctors tell my my "ideal weight" is 170!

I really *am* "heavy boned". My wrists are over 8" around. I used to have trouble finding watchbands that fit.

Now, mind you, I *am* way overweight. But that's due to one of those same doctors ignoring my sleep apnea symptoms for over a year.

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Date: 2017-06-14 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ikneko
That's really unfortunate for the Hospital and all its patients. It's like no one really planned that one out.

Re: Yes...

Date: 2017-06-14 08:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ikneko
Seems like a corporate america thing to do. ¬_¬

I would like to think that somewhere along the lines someone proposed McDonald's because it's affordable. Also, I don't really think it's for the patients but for their guests. I Could be wrong though. :P

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Date: 2017-06-14 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mashfanficchick
The good thing is that my local hospital system (Northwell Health, formerly known as Long Island Jewish / North Shore Hospital) has better sense than that overall; they partner with Au Bon Pan, and also stock their "candy" machines with healthy options like tuna kits and protein packs.

(The bad thing is that they occasionally take it too far, by dint of not realizing how individuals' needs might not be what's expected. Case in point: they only have diet soda on campus, for sale or otherwise. So if you're in the ER with a loved one, and can't have diet soda or coffee--as is the case with MANY people I know--you're screwed if you rely on caffeine to stay awake.)

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Date: 2017-06-14 08:40 pm (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
*nods* I don't know who runs the bistro at the local cancer centre, but it's *good*... healthy, but with some comfort-food choices when you Just Gotta, a good selection of soda mit and mitout, juices, milk, plain and fizzy water... and it's *inexpensive*!

The medical centre that houses my soon-to-be-ex-PCP (moved out of her area, *and* they got bought by .... not getting into THAT can of worms...) has Specialty's Bakery for an anchor tenant... sandwiches, soup, good selection of drinkables spanning the whole range, and the best gorram COOKIES EVAR...

A balance is definitely necessary. Moderation in ALL things! (Including moderation! ;)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2017-06-15 01:31 am (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
I feel that restaurants at health facilities should be obligated to serve ALL dietary needs, because people often lack the ability to go elsewhere.

Yes please.

It occurs to me that a diet consisting only of foods native to Northwest Europe is really rather boring... no nightshades, no rice, no tropical fruit, no maize, no pasta, not much in the way of spice... *laughter* get this: Fish'n'chips, the quintessential British dish? Was invented by a *Jewish* guy ... and of course includes potatoes, which were unknown in the Old World before the early 1600s. It dates to 1860, which means in British terms, it's but a stripling!

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2017-06-15 02:49 am (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
I like the purple ones myself. They have an... *interesting*.... flavour.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2017-06-15 02:53 am (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
Mmmmm, dang, I'm glad dinner's already in the oven, you've got me needing a napkin... ;)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2017-06-15 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mashfanficchick
I feel that restaurants at health facilities should be obligated to serve ALL dietary needs, because people often lack the ability to go elsewhere.

THIS! I have both celiac and an undiagnosed sugar-digestion disorder (basically, too much sugar without enough other stuff to round it out will end with me unable to digest ANY sugar, in any form, for several days). Literally the ONLY thing I can eat at McDonalds is a plain hamburger patty (with cheese, if I wanted it), and a plain garden salad (maybe). Whereas at Au Bon Pan, there are multiple prepackaged salads with gluten-free labels, plenty of single-serve items like hard-boiled eggs and veggies & hummus, AND (because I know where my limits lie) made-to-order sandwiches on gluten-free bread. They also have zillions of vegetarian options, plenty of low-fat ones (including filling soups and sandwiches), many baked goods specifying different dietary needs (GF/low-fat/sugar-free/etc.), and a never-ending supply of all different drinks (including, if the hospital gets its head out of its tuchus, sugar-sweetened ones). Now THAT's a good place to keep ope 24/7!

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Date: 2017-06-14 08:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kengr
*sigh*

I know that back in the 60s a big thing was made of how the hospital nutritionists who were sick of complaints about the various special diets started serving them to the doctors.

"What is this crap?!"

"Oh that's the diet you've prescribed to [list of patients]..."


But this *is* a sort of different problem.

I bet the McDonalds got in because they were willing to pay the most for the privilege.

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Date: 2017-06-15 05:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] johnpalmer
That was especially bad with the "bland diet" which a lot of doctors just prescribed because, hey, it can't hurt. One hospital had a rule that a doctor with patients on a bland diet could get nothing else at the cafeteria and it was amazing how fast it was decided that "you know what? It *could* hurt! People don't like that crap!"

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Date: 2017-06-15 08:00 am (UTC)
kengr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kengr
When I was a kid and had braces (mom was friends with a dentist so we got reduced rates) mom tried to keep me on a low sugar diet.

After all these years I still remember how *awful* the "boysenberry" syrup for diabetics that she bought tasted. Yuck.

Thankfully tastes have improved a lot since the mid 60s.

TW: queasy stomachs beware

Date: 2017-06-15 06:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ng_moonmoth
>> Hospital food is almost universally slop of exactly the kind they tell people not to eat <<

Amen! I was laid up for a week earlier this year, and it took me a couple of days to work through the menu to find the few items that didn't range from unappetizing to disgusting. And while I'm a foodie, and can appreciate the good stuff, I'm certainly no finicky gourmet.

Cooked vegetables were nearly a uniform disaster area -- barely beyond raw, and cold when brought to my room! "Beef" was pink slime, "chicken" mainly white slime. Hamburgers and grilled chicken breasts were apparently beyond their capability to desecrate; the sandwich meat and raw fruits and vegetables were good enough to sustain me. And the fish congee that was on the menu to appeal to their east Asian patients was rather good.

And this is what passes for food for patients at one of the better hospitals in my area. I shudder to think about what the hospitals serving less affluent areas might be reduced to.

I wonder if anyone has suggested that feeding their patients properly would be more likely to get them to recover enough to leave the hospital sooner? Or are they of the opinion that the food quality might prompt a faster exit? :/

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Date: 2017-06-15 06:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alatefeline
*headdesk*

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Date: 2017-06-14 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodielady-47.livejournal.com
I'd be willing to bet you a chocolate-covered doughnut that the McDonald's owner offered the owners of the hospital building a tidy sum for the privilege of moving in and doing business there.
Too many doctors still smoke/drink excessively, don't exercise, and don't know much if anything at all about proper diet.
:^{

Yes...

Date: 2017-06-14 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
"Follow the money" is usually a good way to find out why horseshit like this is happening.

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Date: 2017-06-14 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rafaela.livejournal.com
Was about to say, hospitals are all about the bottom line.

Well...

Date: 2017-06-15 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
Certainly the for-profit ones are. The government ones are all about not spending money on people, and veterans can tell you how much that sucks. Some non-profit hospitals are much more focused on client care. Trouble is, they're uncommon, and never enough to meet demand.

Re: Yes...

Date: 2017-06-15 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodielady-47.livejournal.com
""Follow the money" is usually a good way to find out why horseshit like this is happening."
This is something ALL teens need to be taught as soon as they begin to understand adult type social interactions.
:^}

Re: Yes...

Date: 2017-06-15 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysabetwordsmith.livejournal.com
Agreed. Who benefits? Who gets screwed? Things that seem crazy can make a lot more sense when you ferret out the motives, even if they're still stupid things to do.

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